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rino's Avatar Picture rino – December 09, 2007 10:14AM Reply Quote
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A place to discuss your wheels!

"Use your wheels, that is what they are for." - Hawkwind

ghidorah – March 26, 2008 10:08AM Reply Quote
Raise taxes on cavemen. --jw
yeah, its been in the works for a while. They did the same thing with Aston Martin a few years ago--of course Aston was making them money instead of bleeding them dry.

ddt – March 26, 2008 10:22AM Reply Quote
can't wait for all the snooty land rover drivers around here (single drivers, usually in business attire) dealing with "we need a part from india" service.

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YDD – March 26, 2008 10:45AM Reply Quote
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can't wait for all the snooty land rover drivers around here (single drivers, usually in business attire) dealing with "we need a part from india" service
I take it that they've removed the "How to destroy your vehicle" section from the Landrover manual these days, then? ;-)

rino – March 26, 2008 11:14AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Oy vey!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=a77HYV6MXoN4&refer=uk
Jaguar goes to the Indians!!!
Reverse takeover (ahem, the former colonialists no longer make a premier brand associated with their culture)

tliet – March 26, 2008 11:42AM Reply Quote
Heh, they managed to sell something, but not for a profit:

1990: Ford acquires Jaguar for $2.5 billion
2000: Ford buys Land Rover from BMW in a £2 billion deal

Mokers (Moderator) – March 26, 2008 03:17PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
That's about 30 billion better than Mercedes did with Chrysler.

El Jeffe – March 26, 2008 05:20PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Daimler took much of Chrysler's cash and revenue stream.

Otherwise, how do they account for their OWN statements that Chrysler was the most profitable car company?

http://money.cnn.com/1998/05/07/deals/benz/
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By the mid-1990s, Chrysler was the most profitable car company in the world.

http://www.secinfo.com/dsvr4.74j6.a.htm

What a journey.

ghidorah – March 26, 2008 06:16PM Reply Quote
Raise taxes on cavemen. --jw
It all depends on if Chrysler Financial is included in the discussions or not. Since Daimler was counting Chrysler Financial results as a measure of DCXs bottom line, Chrysler looked to be a freekin black hole where money went to die. Notice how Daimler's earnings have seemed to plummet since they chose to get rid of CF?

Mokers (Moderator) – March 26, 2008 06:34PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
I think Daimler ran Chrysler into the ground. Not intentionally, but it's hard to imagine what Chrysler thought they would get out of it, other than some nice stock options for executives.

El Jeffe – March 26, 2008 06:44PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
If it's like some places, the stock options were vested at termination. Most execs at the time of the buyout were let go. Depending upon the structuring, options would be worthless. But other golden parachutes I'm sure were used.

What a journey.

Mokers (Moderator) – March 26, 2008 08:35PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
But they would have been paid in Daimler stock, no?

tliet – March 27, 2008 02:50AM Reply Quote
Daimler Chrysler just didn't work. They could have had a relationship based on parts, but for the companies to merge, the culture differences were just too big. Running a two headed monster like that on two continents just can't work IMHO.

One thing Chrysler has gained from Daimler, their diesel technology and experience.

El Jeffe – March 27, 2008 09:16AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
anyone interested in gps tracking their car for $400 + $15/month or so?

http://gps-snitch.com/

What a journey.

stan adams – March 27, 2008 02:44PM Reply Quote
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... for the companies to merge, the culture differences were just too big. Running a two headed monster like that on two continents just can't work...

I've seen a ton of articles about "reverse colonization" in the Land Rover/Jaguar Tata deal. My guess is that just like Cerbus Mgmt is some freakshow of money guys that Dr. Z went crying too, the real motivation for Tata is "Yeah, I can afford this". I suspect this deal won't last much longer than the Daimler Chrysler marriage...

rino – March 27, 2008 08:00PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
And here I believed my phrasing was original! Damn.

It's a shame really to see such legacies squandered for what? Lack of Design and customer focus. A complete losing of ways and the companies that once were stand-ins for everything strong, tried, and true (accurate for both British and US car makers) about the respective cultures is totally lost.

I've been on a long struggle to get people to understand what it means to really have a Design culture in business management. It affects workflows, feature decisions, product choice, all touch points with the customer.

stan adams – March 27, 2008 08:03PM Reply Quote
ANd it brings childlike wonder to millions....

SoupIsGood Food – March 28, 2008 12:41AM Reply Quote
WRT the Patriot - with the features I considered to be essential - sun roof, tow hitch, the various Chrysler option groups brought it north of 22k. It was at that moment I realized that I could have a Toyota Rav4 with a V6 that beats a Mazda 5mx to 60mph... while towing a trailer. It was no contest at all... Toyota reliability with scary big, scary efficient engine vs. everyone else on planet earth. Planet Earth sux.

~ S00p

rino – March 28, 2008 10:49AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
My 73 year old Mom has one of the redesigned Rav4s. I drive it when visting. Last year I thought it too punchy but this year I liked it quite a bit. V6 is nice...
Toyota is almost as boring as Honda these days in the design department, but, the build quality is supreme, reliability typically stellar, and overall driving experience good.

Rav4: 19/26 w/ V6
Patriot: 23 city / 28 hwy w/ 4cyl

Not bad comparison for all that extra power.

My trolling basically has been to find a reason not to buy a Rav4.

El Jeffe – March 28, 2008 11:16AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Again, when I took the RAV4 out back to back with the CR-V, RDX and Patriot, the RAV4 did the worst in my book, in heavy snow.

What a journey.



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rino – March 28, 2008 01:22PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Thanks again for that point ... putting that note in my spreadsheet.

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