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Simon's Avatar Picture Simon – December 20, 2007 04:49AM Reply Quote
Yet Another Transplant Thread (credit to Brian Miller for the original) (and Robert Taylor for the 2nd edition)

So, when do you expect to see the next 21-slot G5 subnotebook with built-in antigravity? Or do you have other things to complain about regarding the Mac rum0rz press?

John Willoughby – October 15, 2008 04:40PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
I think it's losing out to "comes preinstalled on all PC's" more than to "good enough."

rino – October 15, 2008 09:47PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
I pretty much agree with you. It's a market decision Apple made though to force those who really need FW to bump up the line. I'll bet it wasn't done on a whim, probably a lot of surveying done to warrant it's removal (maybe they only surveyed bean counters).

ARL (Moderator) – October 15, 2008 10:41PM Reply Quote
>tony, what do you need the firewire for? serious question.

I have a firewire hub with 3 external HDs attached (I'd hate to think how bad they'd work with USB). Um, my EyeTV is firewire only too I think. I also have made extensive use of firewire boot disk mode for troubleshooting etc. I prefer to capture video with firewire. God, I wish I could do iPhoto via firewire.

When my iMac G5 had issues a couple of years back I was able to plug in the iBook into the hub and carry on as normal.

USB can sorta do some of these things, but in a more sucky way.

It wouldn't have cost much to add a firewire port, Apple has intentionally crippled the MacBook Mid to make it less competitive to the MBP.

bahamut – October 15, 2008 11:02PM Reply Quote
Got my Macbook at the store. I am thrilled. It's fast, small, I already ordered the 500gb WD Scorpio Blue from Newegg to double its storage. The black all over is sort of bizarre, but I'll get over it. The case feels very solid, totally different than before. The machine is nice. My wife's Macbook (Xmastime last year) is nice enough but this is way nicer. Mini pro machine.

Any ideas how to keep it in synced with my other machine?

tliet – October 16, 2008 01:27AM Reply Quote
Agreed with the overall opinion that this was done to make a clearer distinction between Pro and consumer level machines. They can't do it in the CPU arena anymore (difference is now so small) and research has probably shown that 99 percent of the consumers buying a Macbook don't use the firewire port, nor are educated enough that they know in what ways it's better. This will line the pockets of Apple some more as people who are dependent on Firewire will move to the Pro line.

My guess is that the iMac is the next one to lose them, maybe not the 24 inch one tho.

Steve Cordova – October 16, 2008 04:25AM Reply Quote
History passes the first time as tragedy, the second time as farts. - Roy Edroso
Baha, James Fallows (Atlantic Monthly Blogger) just had a post recommending Sugar Sync. First time I had heard about it, but apparently it works with both Mac and PC. It appears to be a subscription service.

bahamut – October 16, 2008 03:42PM Reply Quote
Thanks Steve. I have it, but it's about to expire. Time to check it out, I guess.

tliet, if the Firewire is meant to enforce the distinction, it's an odd moment/machine to do it. I bought this Macbook as a supplement to my 17" MBP and after one day, it's been a gem to use. It is fast (got the 2.4) and not pokey in the least. I've got a 500gb drive on order from Newegg and will be thrilled when it comes. The build seems super-solid. I'm nowhere near as concerned with the fragility of this machine as I was with all the other Titanium and Aluminum laptops to date. Awesome!!! Losing firewire is annoying, but so is losing the expresscard port (no SD reader in there full time for me). But with the machine having decent graphics and speed, I really think of this is the mini-MBP we have all been waiting for. Highly recommended!!

And boy is my bag lighter. :)

bahamut – October 17, 2008 09:00PM Reply Quote
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/10/17/Apple_users_rage_over_missing_FireWire_1.html

ok, i'm a cloudscout on this one.

i don't give a shit about firewire! if you want firewire, get the mbp. a solid, fast, easily expandable mb is a godsend. who needs that thing? all my portable hard drives can also do usb. target is nice, but not a dealbreaker. ok so i have to buy a new card reader, big deal. but raging. omg...

bahamut – October 17, 2008 09:04PM Reply Quote
frankly the problems i'm having with the new trackpad are much worse and, well, the screen is ass, but you take and and you leave them. it's apple. only idiots are fanboys.

John Willoughby – October 18, 2008 12:01AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
What problems are you having with the new trackpad, Baha?

bahamut – October 18, 2008 12:58AM Reply Quote
clicks don't register sometimes. like 1 in 5.

tliet – October 18, 2008 01:19AM Reply Quote
There's so many people who are toying with firewire camcorders and those don't work any more. I really question Apple's judgement here, every 500 dollar full size laptop on the market comes with at least a 4 pin FW400 connection. Agreed, most people don't know what they can do with FW and will use USB to hook up a harddrive, but the camcorder hobby folks will start to look elsewhere as I don't think the Macbook Pro is for anyone.

Unless Apple knows something we don't and envisions the death of FW in consumer camcorders in 6 months time.

John Willoughby – October 18, 2008 01:33AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
>Unless Apple knows something we don't and envisions the death of FW in consumer camcorders in 6 months time.

Steve says they're already dead.

bahamut – October 18, 2008 06:26AM Reply Quote
i stopped using mine a while ago out of frustration with how annoying it was, but i've found myself taking video again with my dmc-lx3 which is much better than my old camcorder anyway even though its just a pocketable point and shoot. i think steve is right.


bahamut – October 18, 2008 11:02AM Reply Quote
wonder about the encoding.

it's weird though since the earlier ATI chipsets could have done similar things through AVIVO and Apple never enabled it.

then again, maybe i am wrong.

oh what's up with that weird profit margin thing apple was giving a heads up about? i assume it's the new solid chassis?

i got to say i love my solid chassis. no rinky dink like the old macbook pro. i want dwight shrute to give it a test though.

Bruce Robertson – October 18, 2008 03:21PM Reply Quote
For Mac laptops I have never personally seen the value of the Pro series. I've had iBooks and a low end Macbook, been quite satisfied with them.
But with the new MacBook Pro, I jumped in and bought one last night. I expect to get rid of my iMac and use the the Macbook (plus larger screen at home) as my primary computer.
I may bite on the new 24 inch screen, the built in features for Macbook connection simplify things.
I use a Mini as my FileMaker Server development host.

John Willoughby – October 18, 2008 04:17PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
Let us know how the trackpad works for you. I'm going to get one next year. I used to use my MBP's for development, but now it's for games.

Bruce Robertson – October 18, 2008 10:39PM Reply Quote
So far I like the trackpad fine, though for desktop use I will probably stick with a mouse.
Using the right portion as pseudo right button kinda works but I have not gotten used to where the boundary is.
I almost think they should engrave a small groove or something just to give you feedback. Wonder when some software mod will give you the option to make it a three or four buttons.

Bruce Robertson – October 18, 2008 10:40PM Reply Quote
So what do you use for development now? And what kind of development is it?



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