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tliet's Avatar Picture tliet – March 21, 2008 09:20AM Reply Quote
The ubiquitous video architecture, discuss it here.

tliet – March 21, 2008 09:22AM Reply Quote
Hurray! Finally, after ditching Real about a year ago, Uitzendinggemist.nl (a site that contains all TV & Radio programs made by the Public channels) has started to publish programs in QuickTime after 'heavy demand'.

El Jeffe – March 21, 2008 12:29PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
QT just doesn't seem to be marketed any more. Seems everyone is going flash for a lot of stuff.

What a journey.

rino – March 21, 2008 12:45PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
True, but the wave seems almost complete ... if it crested with YouTube and other video sites, what's next? Apple sells some 20 million mobile devices each quarter!!! of which a fair number play that other ubiquitous standard H.264 and just because there was uptake with the Flash container doesn't mean it has to lose.

Witness: YouTube now supports H.264, Flash can now stream H.264, no Flash presence on any of those some 20 million devices.

So I'm ever hopeful the crest blew a year ago and now we are watching the wave dissipate, it will recede or another washup occurs.

Hulu uses Flash and I hate it... the shows are too small and you can't take it with you. Seriously NBC, et. al. are missing a free revenue stream by NOT selling this stuff in H.264 for lower cost than before through iTunes.

Cloudscout – March 21, 2008 12:51PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Yeah, as long as Flash supports H.264, you might as well use QuickTime for authoring it.

stan adams – March 21, 2008 05:07PM Reply Quote

I think you are hinting at the problem -- what percentage of you tube uploaders have any idea what a "container" is? Or a codec? Or an authoring solution?

Apple was clearly too far out in front of the marketplace. MAYBE there will be more people spending money on Apple solutions as more people understand why they might want to use something other than "whatever works with YouTube and is free"...

El Jeffe – March 21, 2008 05:18PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I think that whatever works solution beats out the others.

What a journey.

rino – March 21, 2008 06:16PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
> I think that whatever works solution beats out the others.

Which is my point about ~20million mobile devices a quarter being sold that do NOT support the flash container eventually having an effect. Other stuff will just work and we'll likely see more H.264. However, due to ease of building user experience with a flash container (aapl was way out front on interactivity in the QT shell too but dropped the ball a long time ago) web access may de facto be flash no matter what the video format.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/21/2008 06:17PM by rino.

bahamut – March 22, 2008 10:08AM Reply Quote
It would be great if flash died. I couldn't care less about its use as a video codec (barring of course iphone issues), but what i do care about is those damn flash sites. i bought some skis this week. drove me crazy going through those goddamn flash sites!!!!

Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 22, 2008 10:45AM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
Agreed, Flash must die. but for the love of the gods, don't replace it with Silverlight.

tliet – March 22, 2008 12:16PM Reply Quote
The war on video formats seems to be tilting towards h.264. It doesn't matter if the Flash engine or QuickTime plays it, the most important thing is that it's a standard video format that can be played by any architecture that has the codec implemented.

The funny thing is, it seems to have killed WMV in the process, I wonder when Microsoft will implement the h.264 codec in Windows Media Player.

rino – March 22, 2008 12:58PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Yes -- h.264 seems to be winning the multi-platform delivery format ... so what if MSNBC or other outlets want to build über media players in Flash, if the video is h.264 then it's a small step to multiple platform delivery. All of these flash players are just reading XML/db anyway ... it's a tweak to deliver iPhone or other browseable space. I guess what most still worry about is "what if the viewer can download this video, what then!??" Hopefully they'll see the light and let go.

El Jeffe – March 22, 2008 02:45PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I think they spell it hulu, not uber.

What a journey.

rino – March 22, 2008 03:22PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
hulu !== über

video is too small, chunky, and the stream stutters at times.

I want my Buffy in higher res!

El Jeffe – March 22, 2008 03:24PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I am a card-toting, non-HD snob.

I'll take at or near VHS quality pretty much any day. partially blind, and half deaf, and just not snobbish, I would never care. Unless it's PORN you be talking about. Just typical, white porn.

What a journey.

Dave Loudin – March 24, 2008 06:39AM Reply Quote
What's the tech behind abc.com's streaming?

Curtis – March 25, 2008 04:58PM Reply Quote

Installs in ~/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/Move-Media-Player.plugin

Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 25, 2008 05:44PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
It just played without installing. Must have installed it before. Not bad, but not really HD.

Curtis – March 25, 2008 11:26PM Reply Quote
HD is a term used too lightly by marketing people.

Production people: "It's not HDCAM SR or better? It's not really HD..."

rino – March 26, 2008 08:29AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
So MS(NBC) technology that ABC, CW, Discovery, ESPN, Fox, WB, et. al. gets on board with? Silverlight -- the next payola ponzy scheme from MSFT to dominate the internets.

That cynicism aside, the notion of a rich media flash-like platform that ties into all that legacy and current MSFT data stuff and .Net will very likely take off. After all, there are plenty of developers and management staffs who like that path.

And, the way they are rolling it out is smart from what I've seen out of MIX08.

It will just confuse the space. All this payola crap to get people to use one media player versus the other, it's been ongoing since the days when everything was encoded in RealMedia.

I say payola because there has to be something driving the adoption cycle, money. It's certainly not open standards or designing for future compatibility. Basically they are delivering another dead technology in terms of future use.

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