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Cloudscout's Avatar Picture Cloudscout – December 16, 2007 08:14PM Reply Quote
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Cloudscout – December 16, 2007 08:18PM Reply Quote
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So, you thought FireWire was dead? Well, it's feeling much better. 3.2GB/sec better.

I've only tried using FireWire for networking once and that was because I had built a machine but didn't have network or USB drivers for it and didn't have a blank CD to burn them to. For some reason, it had drivers for the built-in FireWire port so I used Internet Sharing over FireWire on my PowerBook to get it online and download the drivers.

I'm wondering how well it actually performs for networking. How does 800Mbit FireWire stand up to Gigabit Ethernet? Aside from odd situations like the one I had, is there ever a time when FireWire networking is a desirable option?

Simon – December 16, 2007 08:46PM Reply Quote
Doesn't it get used for SANs and stuff?

Mighty Mouse – December 16, 2007 09:53PM Reply Quote
Sans typically use Fibre--much higher throughput than even Gigabit.

(Too lazy to look up actual numbers)

tliet – December 17, 2007 03:09AM Reply Quote
FireWire works wonderful with IP networking, much faster than 100 Mbps ethernet. Don't know how 800 Mbps FireWire would stack up against 1 Gbps ethernet.

Erick Wong – December 17, 2007 03:33AM Reply Quote
Yup, I often use FireWire networking for transferring large files between my PowerMac G4 and iBook. Don't want to mess around with the Ethernet cabling (which may be happily downloading stuff over DSL), and the G4 only has 802.11b wireless which ain't nearly as fast.

tliet – December 17, 2007 04:12AM Reply Quote
Too bad FireWire is slowly but surely giving way to USB. Ah, isn't always the inferiour tech winning out against the more elegant?

Curtis – December 17, 2007 12:05PM Reply Quote
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Sans typically use Fibre--much higher throughput than even Gigabit.

(Too lazy to look up actual numbers)

4Gbit Fiber is the newer stuff, and Apple offers dual and quad fiber cards so you can get 8 or 16Gbit connections...

3.2Gbit is in the range to start running serious RAIDs off Firewire. A single XRaid right now uses dual 2Gbit connections (one per controller)... It's being reported as a "quadrupling" of speed for FW, but the FW1600 spec has been out forever but remained unused.

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tliet
Too bad FireWire is slowly but surely giving way to USB. Ah, isn't always the inferiour tech winning out against the more elegant?

Many people I know that have bought USB2 external drives have regretted it due to shitty speed.

stan adams – December 17, 2007 12:28PM Reply Quote
I'm with Curtis -- USB2 drives are sorta like using a NIC that is set to "autonegiotiate" but has one of those chipsets that has will fall to 10Mb/s and stay there (thus prompting folks to habitually set such device to "no autonegotiate"), while FW drives (both 400 & 800) seem to actually deliver real world rates much much higher...

If you have a few GB on a thumb drive most folks don't care, but try moving even 30 G of A/V files around the doubling (or worse) of old USB 1.1 really can be felt.

Prices on the "triple interface" external drives of greater than 500G are far more competitive than even a few months ago -- I take that to mean that there is now more demand and volume in the FW space.

rino – December 17, 2007 12:33PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Even the WD MyBook Pro series comes with FW 400/800, USB2.

But the ultra cool sounding Drobo is only USB2.
http://www.drobo.com/products_drobo_specifications.aspx#products_nav

Anyone know someone with real world Drobo experience?

Cloudscout – December 17, 2007 12:37PM Reply Quote
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Anybody used any of the FireWire over Cat5 solutions out there?

tliet – December 17, 2007 12:44PM Reply Quote
Well, for Mac users the difference between USB and FireWire will be very big, but the average PC user that buys an 500 gig box doesn't give a shit if it transfers his DiVX porn at 22 MB/sec or at 30 MB/sec. 90% of the PCs out there don't even have FireWire thanks to TSO and Intel.

ddt – December 17, 2007 01:52PM Reply Quote
hey, IT people: an editor asked me to ask

"We need you to ask some of your contacts in IT what is top of mind for 2008 for them. No need to file a story--just a quote and some context from each.

Best sources would be customers. Next would be analysts or consultants who could say what their customers are telling them."

any thoughts? can email them to me, and i'd need real names and jobs.

thanks in advance,

ddt

Cloudscout – January 15, 2008 03:44PM Reply Quote
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Does Time Machine work with an AFP network share on a Windows server running Services for Macintosh?

stan adams – January 15, 2008 03:56PM Reply Quote
That would be neat to know -- it says something about needing to install Bon Jour on Windows clients, and that might hi jack some stuff...

Cloudscout – March 01, 2008 12:06AM Reply Quote
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I'm finally making better use of OpenDNS. I've configured my IPCop server to send DDNS updates to OpenDNS so I can specify blocking options for hosts on my network.

I'm basically blocking advertisement domains like doubleclick and atdmt and stuff. It's easier than setting up adblock software on every browser on every computer and really speeds up the performance of websites that are overloaded with ads. I'm not blocking Google ads, though, since those aren't so resource intensive.

bahamut – March 02, 2008 08:12AM Reply Quote
I'd be afraid of a Drobo since it doesn't come with AFP. My experience is that Macs just can't handle SMB very well. I get far, far slower SMB speeds over the same gigabit capable home network as I do over AFP.

Cloudscout – March 14, 2008 01:40AM Reply Quote
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I just read a story on Ars Technica about IPv6 and now I'm thinking I might start tinkering with it. Unfortunately, IPCop doesn't support IPv6 right now so I might go and get an Airport Extreme... been thinking about getting one anyway.

Cloudscout – March 15, 2008 08:23PM Reply Quote
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Speaking of IPv6, what do you suppose that's going to do to the spam industry? I just spent a half hour going through spam email in my inbox and updating my DNS zone (I maintain my own private DNSBL in addition to using the standard spamhaus, abuseat, etc.). When we start moving to IPv6, will DNSBL systems still be effective?

Cloudscout – March 18, 2008 10:46PM Reply Quote
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I managed to unbrick one of my two bricked Belkin routers tonight. The other one is, sadly, beyond hope... unless I feel ambitious enough to build a JTAG cable and start soldering stuff to the board. That's not gonna happen so I'm throwing that one out.

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