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ARL (Moderator) – April 16, 2013 03:09AM Reply Quote
Winter is coming ... and probably so are spoilers (which is why we use the spoiler tags like this one):

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ARL (Moderator) – April 16, 2013 03:21AM Reply Quote
You know, the drama and pseudo-intrigue doesn't grab me, but the actors do. For instance, this dialog is standard-issue:

"That's more than I pay you in a year."
"He's a squire. You don't pay him anything."
"Then it's MUCH more than I pay him in a year."

But I could watch Dinklage & co. be droll for hours.


Agreed. There's usually several good quips from Tyrion each episode. Episodes without Tyrion are ofter too dour & serious.

I also thought the rather brutal speech from Tywin in the first episode was gobsmacking but engrossing.

Even Jaime Lannister occasionally has a (good yet tasteless) quip - the "pity it's not a throne of cocks, you'd have never gotten Renly off it" line did make me laugh (even while knowing I shouldn't).

johnny k – April 16, 2013 10:48AM Reply Quote
Dinklage is a great actor playing a great character. The spymasters' verbal sparring is also fun. Started into Season 2 last night (though I know where things lie in Season 3), and Tyrion is just so gleeful in throwing around his new Hand of the King weight. I dislike Jon Snow's sourness less now that I started from the beginning.

ddt – April 16, 2013 11:18AM Reply Quote
How hard is it to set up a Twitter bot? There's a great Motherbox one that'll reply "PING PING PING" to mentions of Kirby or such. Maybe a "Hodor" one would be fun (not in response to every GoT reference, as that'd be way too spammy).


John Willoughby – April 16, 2013 12:09PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
My wife has notified me that she's given up on GoT. Just too violent. I can't blame her, the books were a real trial for me and I've been having my own issues with the violence in the show. She want's to know why I won't watch slaves being whipped in slavery-era movies, but I'm okay with torture in GoT. Or 24, for that matter. I don't really know, but I think that it comes down to what represents fantasy to me. If it feels like it really happened to me, it disgusts me and I won't watch it. If it's in a made-up world, or made-up circumstances, I can tolerate it. I never really like it though. I congratulate HBO for remaining so true to the books, though. I don't know if I'll really be able to watch the show now, since spouse-free child-free viewing time is scarce.

What if somebody'd been able to do the Lord of the Rings as a mini-series, not trying to crunch a huge book into a few scant hours of screen time? Or not doing what they did to the Hobbit, stretching a few scant pages into a huge amount of screen time!

johnny k – April 16, 2013 02:18PM Reply Quote
The third season sure is stretching it out. I don't mind too much as long as I can watch a couple episodes in a row until something happens. I think Lord of the Rings would be painful stretched out further. Less action and sparkling dialogue than GoT.

ARL (Moderator) – April 17, 2013 01:00AM Reply Quote
They've said for the third book they're devoting two seasons for it (ie Season three = Book Three part I; Season Four = Book Three part II).

Re: Violence. My sister visibly cringed at the (unexpected for her and anyone who hadn't read the books) end of episode three. Hell, so did I and I was expecting it.

The way I rationalise the violence as being necessary for the show is to establish the brutal reality of the show's medieval setting. I've repeatedly read parts of the book/ watched parts of the show and thought "thank god I didn't grow up in the middle ages." Sanitising the violence to much for modern sensitivities would diminish its authenticity I think.

(I don't know if that observation helps anyone squeamish cope with the violence but ymmv...)

(and on a side note, because I've read the books,
From looking at imdb.com, I am looking forward to episode five, which I think will have And episode four I think Episode nine is going to upset lots of people who haven't read the books. Can't wait...

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John Willoughby – April 17, 2013 12:13PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
One of the reasons that I didn't give my wife a hard time about quitting the show is because, if she's having trouble now, there's no way she'll survive what's to come. Better to get out now, with psyche relatively unscathed.

ARL (Moderator) – April 22, 2013 06:58PM Reply Quote
Daenearys Targaryen FTW!

Most. Epic. Episode. Ending. Ever.

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ARL (Moderator) – April 22, 2013 07:26PM Reply Quote
On a tangent.

The actress who plays Shae, Sibel Kekilli, is apparently formerly a well known german porn-star (note-to-self: must look that up further later...)

The actor who plays Theon Greyjoy, Alfie Allen, is Lily Allen's little brother. (And yes, her song Alfie is about him).

Jeff Cooper – April 23, 2013 06:59AM Reply Quote
Tony Leggett
Daenearys Targaryen FTW!

Most. Epic. Episode. Ending. Ever.

That is all.

Oh, and I want a dragon. But only if it loves me.

johnny k – April 24, 2013 12:38AM Reply Quote
Just caught up so I can read this thread as long as book spoilers stay hidden. Maybe those old knights will have finally learned not to question Daenearys' plans. Unstoppable with her Teen Dragons. Even I could've seen that. Good moment when she spoke in Valyrian.

When the Men Without TightsBanners started launching into their origin speech, I was half expecting an Avengers prequel or something.

ARL (Moderator) – April 24, 2013 09:01AM Reply Quote

(Spoilers in article -- including video of the kickass ending to ep4)

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ddt – April 24, 2013 11:14AM Reply Quote
"My opponents have run unceasingly negative campaigns -- of personal, rhetorical, and actual attacks. And what are they promising if they win? Just more of the same? I believe I am the only one speaking of an offering a positive vision for Westeros. I want to talk about getting us back to work, about rebuilding our great cities and family values, about fixing our debt issues.

All they can say is that winter is coming. We know that.

Ally with me and we can work as though it's morning -- and spring -- in Westeros again."


Mokers (Moderator) – April 25, 2013 01:19PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
People who haven't read the books are almost in luck. They can do a lot of things to fix the pacing that made book 4 terrible. It will be interesting to see how they do as the stories in the book get more fractured. There is a lot of stuff they don't fill us in on in the books because there was no first person there and we have to infer from other things that happen. GRRM had to practically put a hold on some plot while he introduces characters and fleshes them out. The show can introduce them earlier and give better pace.

Still, you gotta read the books to see how everything is going later on.

Here is a spolier I am sure everybody was worried about

ARL (Moderator) – April 29, 2013 09:14PM Reply Quote
Good point about book 4 (and 5) Mokers.

Perhaps one day they'll release a book 4 & 5 "editors preferred text" with about 200 pages of cruft culled from it.

This week's episode was good - I thought the swordfight was very well done and there were lots of interesting plotpoints, but:

ddt – April 29, 2013 09:55PM Reply Quote
Did you notice the name "Oona Chaplain" in the credits? As all crossworders know, that's Charlie's daughter.


ddt – April 29, 2013 10:32PM Reply Quote
DPBD: I half-expected Dinklage to say, after his lunch with Dame Rigg, that he'd never been so turned on.


ARL (Moderator) – April 29, 2013 10:44PM Reply Quote
That was an amusing part of the episode:

"I was told you were drunk, impertinent, and thoroughly debauched; you can imagine my disappointment to find nothing but a browbeaten book-keeper..."


ddt – April 30, 2013 03:11PM Reply Quote
Two things:

1. Does Westeros use a lunar calendar? Does that planet have a moon, multiple moons? That's the only way I can think that "winter lasts five years" makes any sense (since if they used a solar calendar, "winter" would be part of one year -- and I get the sense that their planet's orbit or axial tilt is unstable).

2. Anyone want to count the lore errors in this? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/dear-ted-is-it-bad-scienc_b_3104049.html (Even I know the Night Watch isn't hereditary).


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