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WAR!

Robert Taylor – December 12, 2007 03:15PM Reply Quote
Well, at least B?K! got a head start.

morganti – February 18, 2008 03:53PM Reply Quote
Excellent! Time to come home!

We're finally back to the pre-war attack numbers right??? we're good to go?

What, there were 0 attacks before the war?

Morg "Crap, I guess that means we're gonna be there for another hundred years or so." anti

El Jeffe – February 18, 2008 06:47PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
You live in Berkley, right? ;) (at least on the INside)

What a journey.

ddt – March 11, 2008 11:08AM Reply Quote
wow, there must be some news on this front.

oh, well, how about old news to some?

ddt

tliet – March 12, 2008 01:30PM Reply Quote
It will be forgotten after this. No?

John Willoughby – March 12, 2008 05:50PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
I hope that it won't come to that; it would be like this administration, which has always believed in the legitimacy of its own actions (despite all evidence to the contrary), to launch another "necessary" war before leaving office. I honestly think that we should go back to a policy where US forces cannot engage in offensive military action without a formal declaration of war by Congress. With exceptions for a large scale nuclear attack incoming, I suppose.

stan adams – March 12, 2008 07:53PM Reply Quote
ahhhhhh I seem to remember a whole bunch of folk voting to authorize the use of force in Iraq, didn't seem to make things go particularly well... also seems that at least a few folks who voted one way wanted to change their tune...

WTF does a "declaration of war" mean anyhow? Sounds like something that would be done by men in tophats -- I think they'd have to send a telegram too, perhaps throw a teacup at a wall, and fart in the enemy's general direction....

John Willoughby – March 12, 2008 10:20PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
Wasn't too effete for FDR.

stan adams – March 13, 2008 10:50AM Reply Quote
Don't you know that whole thing was cooked up to pump up the US Military Industrial Complex. Old Franklin had the blueprints for the TriLateral Commission all rolled up inside the arms of his wheelchair, crafty devil. Sneakily having the radar turned off in Hawaii just so that Mitsubishi would later go on to build the Starion which had a five pointed star, and then team with Chrysler (whose building in NYC is clearly topped with a Masonic Temple) to create Diamond Star Motors which eventually sold Chrylser to the Germans who sold it back to the Skull & Bones guy...

El Jeffe – March 13, 2008 12:06PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
well, you actually make some valid loony logic there.

What a journey.

John Willoughby – March 13, 2008 03:19PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
Except the radar was turned on. They reported the incoming planes, but they were dismissed as an expected flight of B-17's.

El Jeffe – March 14, 2008 06:07PM Reply Quote
What a journey.

John Willoughby – March 15, 2008 12:54AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
They must have one hell of a stabilizer on that thing; I couldn't have hit anything smaller than a building from that moving vehicle.

El Jeffe – March 15, 2008 09:00AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
plus, they hit their rear/side mirrors effectively. I wonder how that was done.

What a journey.

rino – March 15, 2008 09:46AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
L33t Sk1llz

El Jeffe – March 21, 2008 05:48PM Reply Quote
What a journey.

ddt – April 02, 2008 09:48AM Reply Quote
been pretty quiet here. any comments on:

1. the release of the john yoo "torture memo"

2. mccain admitting on letterman that he think there's been hundreds of thousands of iraqi deaths in the last five years

ddt



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morganti – April 02, 2008 10:12AM Reply Quote
McCain can say whatever the hell he wants and it doesn't really matter... He buys bar-b-que for the media guys on his bus. He jokes with them about the way things are.

I wish I could find it now, but its lost in the aether... There was a blogpost somewhere about McCain and the media. The basic jist was that they are cut from the same cloth. That is to say they BOTH are elite intelligent "bourgeoise" people. They tell the "little folks" what they want to hear, but they know how things "should be". They're both "in on it". I really do it very poor justice, but that was the krux. They had quotes and examples from media folks talking about McCain.

He's a maverick, right? He's voted with his party 88% of the time. And those things he has "broken with his party" on, were things that were popular with the public. In other words, he bucks the system when it's politically safe for him to do so in the public.

Ugh... There's so many. He called for Rumsfeld's resignation right? He didnt just "blindly support the president" right? Right?
At least he's been consistently on the immigration front. He wants stronger borders, but he also sponsored a bill with a "guest worker program" and a "path to citizenship". He boldly bucked his party on this. Except he didn't, because as soon as he started getting heat on it from his "base" he ran away as fast as he could.
And he bucked his party on the Bush tax cuts right? He said they were "tilted towards the wealthy" and would bust the budget. He thought that was bad so he held his ground and voted against them. Maverick! Except that now that he's appealing to the base, he wants to make them permanent. Im assuming that's because NOW, they're not skewed towards the rich, and they're not "busting the budget". Or something.

His constituency is the media, I don't think its nearly enough for him to win, but it certainly can help in "keeping him in the race" after stupid comments about who Iran is helping and which group (shiite or sunni) is on which side of the divide.

I really just worry about another democratic "lets just go forward in a new way". We did that after Nixon, we got Reagan. We did that after Regan/Bush_I, and we got BushII. There needs to be some serious sunshine shed on the performance of these guys. That' or they'll be back in another 12-15 years to try do it again.

Morg "And boy, do I really not want another Bush II in office." anti

johnny k – April 02, 2008 12:21PM Reply Quote
I like McCain overall, but is "maverick" another word for "cowboy"? I do think that him bowing to public opinion on immigration is not merely self-serving, but also realizing that he was getting nowhere and was humbly making a compromise. Flip-flop is a negative way to characterize it, Willing to listen and admit you were wrong is a positive way. Why are poliiticians expected to have the right answer from the start?

Dr. Strangelove – April 02, 2008 01:37PM Reply Quote
Re: Yoo, as a Cal alumnus, I can say I'm ashamed he's on the faculty there.

Re: McCain, I guess Lieberman wasn't there to tell him he meant to say "tens of thousands" of deaths.

Re: Iraq, the most interesting news of late seems to be the battle in Basra between al-Maliki and Sadr, with the apparent outcome of a victory for Sadr.

morganti – April 03, 2008 11:28AM Reply Quote
I like McCain overall, but is "maverick" another word for "cowboy"? I do think that him bowing to public opinion on immigration is not merely self-serving, but also realizing that he was getting nowhere and was humbly making a compromise. Flip-flop is a negative way to characterize it, Willing to listen and admit you were wrong is a positive way. Why are politicians expected to have the right answer from the start?

Bowing to public opinion? whaaaa? First off, he FLIPPED ON HIS OWN SPONSORED BILL. That's a bill that was proposed in 2005. And in 2007 he's completely changed his mind and wouldn't vote for it? that's a flipflop. Willing to admit you were wrong... Guess that depends on what "wrong" means. Was he wrong to propose his bill to reform immigration, with guest worker programs, paths to citizenship, etc. Or was he wrong in repudiating that bill and saying that he wouldn't vote for it now?

Morg "I guess that's the key question" anti

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