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Robert Taylor – December 12, 2007 03:15PM Reply Quote
Well, at least B?K! got a head start.

Ron Burns – July 15, 2016 05:46PM Reply Quote
"We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilisation." Voltaire
True, but Erdogan is a nasty piece of work..

ddt – July 15, 2016 06:08PM Reply Quote
Sorry, I was actually asking sincerely. I seem to think there have been a few, but the examples that pop to mind were not exactly democratic.

Seems the coupsters have put out a pro-democracy, pro-human rights statement and pledged to keep all international agreements in place (hey, that sounds better than the current GOP platform!), but propaganda is propaganda.

My source: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-military-coup-in-turkey-is-a-very-big-deal


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El Jeffe – July 16, 2016 05:06AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Ron Burns
True, but Erdogan is a nasty piece of work..
Everything I read/hear, agreed.

ddt – July 16, 2016 10:02AM Reply Quote
It's strangely like the flip side of "he's a tyrant, but he's _our_ tyrant": in those cases, the States would prop up the Western-friendly authoritarian.


ARL (Moderator) – July 16, 2016 08:41PM Reply Quote
My two problems with the attempted coup were that 1) It wasn't bloodless and 2) it wasn't successful.

Ron Burns – July 17, 2016 07:09AM Reply Quote
"We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilisation." Voltaire
Much more info needed...the Reichstag Fire comes to mind sadly.

John Willoughby – July 20, 2016 09:03PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
I've read rumors that he engineered the "coup" to justify the actions that he wanted to take. No evidence, of course.

ARL (Moderator) – July 21, 2016 02:02AM Reply Quote
It's certainly played into his hands, that's for sure...

ddt – July 21, 2016 12:26PM Reply Quote

El Jeffe – September 11, 2016 08:40AM Reply Quote
What a journey.

ARL (Moderator) – September 11, 2016 06:51PM Reply Quote
Seconded Jeffe.

El Jeffe – November 29, 2016 05:50AM Reply Quote
What a journey.

“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”"]

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ARL (Moderator) – November 29, 2016 05:57AM Reply Quote
Nice revisionist history. I don't buy it.

After Pearl Harbour the US nuked a country. Twice. They were fully expecting (and wanted) a war.

John Willoughby – November 29, 2016 11:14AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
I have no doubt that invading Afghanistan was enormously disruptive to al Qaeda and the Taliban, and I'm sure that numerous plans and plots were wrecked. But I feel that the true end-goal of al Qaeda was not so different from Isis... they wanted a holy war with the west. The fact that they had expected to be able to keep poking the bear for longer than they did doesn't really matter in the long run.

Then we took our eyes off the ball and invaded Iraq to establish an Athenian democracy on the Persian Gulf. The war in Afghanistan remained unwon, and we toppled the primary obstacle to Iranian expansionism in the region. Killing tens of thousands of the lucky new "democracy's" citizens.

bahamut – November 29, 2016 03:16PM Reply Quote
Petty much what JW said.

And yes, Al Qaeda wanted a war… and they wanted to provoke the US into destroying its economy by pursuing the longest war in the nation's history. Success!

ARL (Moderator) – December 22, 2016 06:48PM Reply Quote

El Jeffe – March 22, 2017 05:10PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Be safe London/UK!

ARL (Moderator) – March 22, 2017 06:52PM Reply Quote
Sad that this is the "new normal".

ARL (Moderator) – March 22, 2017 07:14PM Reply Quote
...aaanndd shit-gibbon jnr also just reads headlines and not the content

Really classy to weigh in hours after the attack...

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