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Robert Taylor – December 12, 2007 03:15PM Reply Quote
Well, at least B?K! got a head start.

John Willoughby – December 12, 2007 03:44PM Reply Quote
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What is this thread good for?

Dave Loudin – December 12, 2007 04:28PM Reply Quote
To guard y'all. Say it! Say it! Say it!

rino – December 12, 2007 09:23PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
That looks nice...

Hmmm wonder if that's available in similar format at iTunes.

BING! Nope, DRM Only ... thank you shop again.

Damn, wrong thread again!

El Jeffe – December 22, 2007 07:52AM Reply Quote
What a journey.

"... the surge certainly hasn't hurt. It's helped. I recognize that."

He's not ALL bad. Can speak honestly.

What a journey.

stan adams – December 22, 2007 12:54PM Reply Quote
I wonder how much "coordination & triangulation" is at work by HRC -- rumors are that Reid is leaning toward her ( or Obama or Edwards or who ever offers HIM the best personal advantage) and with "the surge is working" getting nearly 100% acceptance the shift will soon become "we need a Dem who is both TOUGH and DIPLOMATIC" to get things wrapped up in Iraq" -- that would be HRC's positioning.

Personally I don't think that putting together Winston Churchill, Mahatma Ghandi, Bill Clinton and Golda Meir into one US President would do much to "fix" Iraq (or the Palestine situation, or North Korean, or Taiwan) but I also don't think that US voters really will care about this unless there is some kind of truly horrific attack upon the US or a mass casualty incident against our forces abroad.

And one really has to wonder about the odds of either an incident at home or overseas -- Are there forces out there really capable of pulling off such a thing? Sure we all watch 24 or whatever where nukes and chemical weapons are are plentiful as weed at a Dead concert, but maybe that just ain't quite the case... Would Al Queda or who ever really want to amp things up? I mean seriously "the Great Satan" is only going to make life a lot tougher for all of "Allah's Warriors" if something like that happens AND the reluctant members of the EU and other less bellicose places would probably swing MORE toward US action if/when their is increased "global terror".

I kind of see the "surge" as the Berlin Airlift of the"new cold war"...

John Willoughby – December 22, 2007 03:05PM Reply Quote
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I think they'd do it. Their whole goal is to initiate a war between "Islam" and the non-Muslim world. A war that they believe that they're pre-destined to win. Once you throw blind faith into the assessment, practicalities fly out the window.

Nobody Special – December 22, 2007 04:43PM Reply Quote
I'd agree with John. If they could get their hands on such devices, not necessarily a given, they'd use it. 911 seemed an unlikely scenario until it happened and the consequences hurt the Taliban much harder than OBL.

Organizations like Al Queda have the advantage in that they can go to ground quickly and leave others to hold the bag. Those paying the price get to be martyrs for the cause.

ddt – December 27, 2007 11:25AM Reply Quote
holy crap -- pakistan's going to be in the shit now, after what happened to poor bhutto.


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El Jeffe – December 27, 2007 12:01PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Maybe we can go in and clean house, tactically.

What a journey.

John Willoughby – December 27, 2007 12:31PM Reply Quote
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Bhutto was the last hope of a decent democracy there. We don't need to clean house anywhere that has nukes, though. Let them simmer in their own mess.

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rino – December 27, 2007 02:15PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Just watched the movie adaptation of "Charlie Wilson's War" -- in all not a bad screenplay. Good acting by Tom Hanks, Julia Roberts, and stellar acting by Philip Seymour Hoffman.

Definitely short changes the book, which I recommend reading, that and "The Places In Between" give you a damn good picture of Afghanistan. We really walk the lines over there supporting and working with Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan. Not that this is news but the book gives quite the overall picture.

Yeah, wow -- I just checked news like 5 minutes ago and had no idea Benazir Bhutto had been assassinated. While she was not entirely clean, she was moderate and a woman in the face of the extreme wing of Islam. In the Charlie Wilson era we worked with Zia who staged the coup and killed her father... we worked to defeat the Soviets as you know, and we did but then we left.

stan adams – December 27, 2007 02:27PM Reply Quote
We need some new model of "cooperation" that has less likelihood of leaving behind the corrupt and despotic...

ghidorah – December 27, 2007 04:31PM Reply Quote
Raise taxes on cavemen. --jw
Well, since we've been so eager to support the corrupt and despotic for so long, it might pose some difficulties in the immediate future.

Robert Taylor – December 27, 2007 08:54PM Reply Quote
Maybe we can go in and clean house, tactically.

Good luck with being able to do that with a nuclear-armed state stuffed full of Islamic radicals, while US forces are tied down elsewhere.

And no, just bombing the crap out of Pakistan (which is basically what we are left with, with the Army and Marines fully deployed, or recovering from their recent deployments) isn't going to cut it.

Robert Taylor – December 27, 2007 08:56PM Reply Quote
And then there's this.

I am not afraid of terrorism, and I want you to stop being afraid on my behalf. Please start scaling back the official government war on terror. Please replace it with a smaller, more focused anti-terrorist police effort in keeping with the rule of law. Please stop overreacting. I understand that it will not be possible to stop all terrorist acts. I accept that. I am not afraid.

tliet – December 28, 2007 03:12AM Reply Quote
The war on terror will continue until our society falls apart, just like any 'war on...' will continue forever while actually archieving opposite results, resulting in even stronger calls for more 'war on...'.

As a poster in the provided link says, there's simply too much money to be made. But it will ultimately decide our fate I'm afraid.

morganti – December 28, 2007 09:22AM Reply Quote
Huh, who would have thought...

The state department has nobody that "knows" Pakistan? That cant be right?

Morg "Weird... The Vice President involved in something that gets all fucked up? That's so strange!?!" anti

tliet – January 01, 2008 04:02AM Reply Quote

Pardon me? (2:00 and further)

Apparently the BBC thought it would be too explosive as well and cut the specific quote right out.


(Around 4:50)

The woman who knew too much indeed. Man, this whole mess gets stinkier and stinkier.

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