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Cloudscout's Avatar Picture Cloudscout – January 14, 2008 03:08PM Reply Quote
Box mini
Box Pro
BoxBook Pro

The more the boxes change, the more they stay the same... or don't.

(talk about the hardware here)

rino – March 23, 2009 11:57AM Reply Quote
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Is the gadget boingboing blog that far off or is this demo vs. real play?

Mighty Mouse – March 23, 2009 12:41PM Reply Quote
Gadget boingboing is quoting CNET numbers, which is like using Consumer Reports to look up good info on cars: Ain't happening.

That said, on the Bare Feats test, the older MP scored better with the new graphics card (not by much, but still) but also had +4GB RAM. I would think a better comparison would be to bump the new MP up to 18 GB and see how it does. That would be a more fair comparison.

And yes, that would give the new MP a +2GB RAM advantage, but it has to do with how the new Xeon processors access RAM: To get the best performance from the new ones, you want to install RAM in sets of 3, not 2 as in the older MP.

El Jeffe – March 23, 2009 01:04PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Does barefeats take requests?

Mighty Mouse – March 23, 2009 01:23PM Reply Quote
I sent them an email suggestion they bump the RAM up on the new MP.

We'll see if they do!!

stan adams – March 24, 2009 05:01PM Reply Quote
This is probably NOT the right thread, but we're all friends here, so:

Who has heard and played with these: The iPhone of Computer Speakers

I have. I know how they work their magic, and I know that they are probably NOT all that technically accurate, due to massive dynamic equalization / compression: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2256689,00.asp. I also suspect that, to "golden ears" types they are not particularly "musical" as they do mess with the soundstage and use some DSP to broaden the perceived stereo effect. Both things that do not matter a whole bunch to me when I am trying to use computer to listen/watch something...

These puppies are remarkably good at making a nice "bubble of music / sound" right around a laptop / desk, and they are compact enough to carry n.e. where, even with their kinda out dated "LCD monitor-style" outboard power supply and their costly carry case: http://www.bose.com/controller?url=/shop_online/speakers/computer_speakers/accessories/musicmonitor_carryingcase_acc.jsp BUT am I crazy to think that NO ONE is likely to make something as nice /slick?

I am scouting out ebay auctions and it seems that "the market" for these is reasonably strong, yet seems no other manufacturers care to compete. Frankly, with Bose's tough IP lawyers I doubt that anyone could get something with similar tech to market...

Other than cost, and the aforementioned technical limitation, anybody thing of a reason NOT to get 'em?

El Jeffe – March 24, 2009 07:34PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I've owned a few BOSE setups in the past. Not these. Bose does a good job at audio voodoo. And if you like what they deliver, that's all that matters. My Bose fell down when pushed to more than casual, relaxed listening. I went Cerwin Vega to numb my skull.

rino – March 24, 2009 08:33PM Reply Quote
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I noticed the same effect when pushing the Bose room thingy, ahh, the wave system that my in-laws have at the lake house.

Wait, what thread is this?!

I bought some OK PolkAudio bookshelf speakers for my tv room which also drive my iTunes stereo hookup... they are OK, not as good as the worn out Infinity set they replaced but good for a quick purchase since they weren't a lot of $$. I've wanted something better with more range. I like loud too...
Is Cerwin-Vega decent?

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El Jeffe – March 25, 2009 08:27AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
The CVs that are in the room next to me, not a particularly large room, are the exact ones that we used at all of our parties in my fraternity. They are loudspeakers and loud speakers. In the room they are in, if you put through normal music (not audio from like a movie, let's say), so from any rock band, I can't imagine anyone being able to stay in the room very long if they are turned up even 80% of their capacity. They hurt.

That's not my intention. I just never turn them up that loud in their current placement.

Are they good? I likely would not think they are best for classical music. But they are good for most music. And when using iTunes and the equalizer, plus they have built-in controls, too, they can be very good and balanced. The thing is, they have so much low (bass) push. In school we used to hold a sheet of paper up to them and turn them up. They rip the paper. They are well built. Cast aluminum subframe, with wood enclosure over that. Not sure of CV's range of products nowadays. I won't really ever need any more. They'll last my lifetime. I also added a CV subwoofer a few years back. Again, CV does low range very well. But, that amp blew twice. But they replaced it free both times. I just had to do the labor myself here. Just about 8 screws is all. Oh, that had it's own built-in amp. The whole setup sounded amazing while watching Bolt this week. That has some very decent low range audio in it.

My Sony surround center channel speaker is sorely lacking in comparison to those components.

rino – March 25, 2009 09:25AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.

They have some bookshelfs I may pickup and checkout. Not too much $$ either.

rino – March 25, 2009 10:37AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Should I just build a hackintosh?


I mean the pricing is depressing.

Nehalem from Dell:

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El Jeffe – March 25, 2009 10:45AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Why not?
Apple is just pricing their goods to stay in business in the long run and trying to fund R&D all by their lonesome.
But they need a chipset for a small tower.

stan adams – March 25, 2009 11:11AM Reply Quote
Um, consensus of the last part of the thread is:

from external thread
So,basically my 2 1/2years old MP still hangs out with the new bigboys? -- But have to say...shame adobe...

This is not unexpected. I mean if you consider what SOTA is for massively parallel systems it increasingly becomes clear that the hardware that is available, wonderful though it may be, is not really leading to greater gains in results/knowledge. The ability for HW designers and the folks that make the installations faster, more energy efficient, and cheaper far outstrips the ability of code writers to sufficiently "split up" the problems over all the nodes AND recombine the results for the next step. http://hpc.sagepub.com/ Thus the meta code is processed and optimized by the system multiple times, resulting in larger data sets, processed more quickly, but in a far more complex overall "flow of resources".

Adobe nor any other SW house is going to be able to design their product to "out of the box" optimize itself to each and every HW config.

John Willoughby – March 25, 2009 11:50AM Reply Quote
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Let's see of Snow Leopard and Grand Central improve things much.

rino – March 25, 2009 02:07PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
So the entry apple Mac Pro is Core i7 right? It's out of the solar system w/re to pricing and everyone else's offerings. It's insane! I'm looking at three thousand dollars just to get a new machine. I don't want a machine that was designed for Jan 2008 like the old model, I want one done for 2009. Dell is going to kick their ass.

I was reserving judgement but am now comfortable saying that Apple is completely off the fucking rails when it comes to their desktop computers.

That said, I might still sucker up and buy one. I don't know why other than I just want it to work, and I just want to be able to update it and not hassle with Hackintosh.


stan adams – March 25, 2009 03:05PM Reply Quote
Good Angel: Rino, don't do it. You are playing right into their trap. Crazy overpriced. You'll be sorry.

Bad Angel/TSO: BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT! The RDF cannot be resisted. You are putty in my hands. I laugh at your pathetic weakness.

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John Willoughby – March 25, 2009 05:52PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support

rino – March 25, 2009 06:58PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Where's Jim Jones?!??? I'm gonna need a bucket full baby.
Trouble is, it is the wafer of OS X that is my sell and that I can dual boot into Windows Home Premium UltimateTM.

Same Bat CPU (ok, BFD the Apple CPU is a 3500 series Xeon with ECC support, BFD), Same Bat RAM, Same BAT HD, different video card ... $935.00 price difference. You have to ask yourself ... is it worth it to always be able to update OS X?

Studio XPS--$2,219 Mac Pro -- $3,154.00
Intel® Core™i7-940 processor(8MB L2 Cache, 2.93GHz) One 2.93GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
6GB Tri-Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz - 6 DIMMs 6GB (3x2GB)
1TB 7200 RPM SATA HD: 1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability One 18x SuperDrive
Dell Laser Mouse & Dell USB Consumer Multimedia Keyboard Apple Mighty Mouse & Keyboard with Numeric Keypad
Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate SP1, 64-bit
ntegrated 7.1 Channel Audio

Mighty Mouse – March 25, 2009 10:27PM Reply Quote

First off, Considerable difference between the i7 and the Xeon

Secondly, the Mac Pro is billed as a workstation. How many drive bays in the XPS? How many slots? Can you add RAID to the XPS?

It really depends on what you're going to use it for, as always. For me, the XPS is cheaper, but it can't run Final Cut Pro, so it's out. (Hackintoshes don't count)

And having played around with the new single chip Mac Pros, at 2.26, I can say it's blindingly fast. Mac OS X vs Vista is worth some coin in my book as well. Is the Mac Pro worth almost $900 more? For me, without a doubt.

All that said, if I were in the market today, I'd chase after a 08 model Mac Pro. Performance isn't that far off, and the new Xeons are VERY expensive.

ddt – March 25, 2009 10:57PM Reply Quote
what is the difference between i7 and Xeon? intel code gunk is baffling.


El Jeffe – March 26, 2009 07:52AM Reply Quote
What a journey.

They have some bookshelfs I may pickup and checkout. Not too much $$ either.

Newegg today has some speakers in their ad. Just FYI.



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