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Cloudscout's Avatar Picture Cloudscout – January 14, 2008 03:08PM Reply Quote
Box mini
Box Pro
BoxBook Pro

The more the boxes change, the more they stay the same... or don't.

(talk about the hardware here)

tomierna (Admin) – March 18, 2009 03:00PM Reply Quote
Hideously Unnatural
Are you sure that your MacBook is using the Ethernet cable connected to the Airport Express, and not just using its Airport?

Extending a wireless network out the ethernet jack of an Airport is possible, but it's not a common configuration, as far as I know.

John Willoughby – March 18, 2009 03:06PM Reply Quote
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The airport express is in Bridge mode, and configured to connect to the AT&T router?

ddt – March 18, 2009 05:47PM Reply Quote
tom: no, good question.

john: yes. it's set up to "join a wireless network", as airport utility puts it.

emailed apple pr about this... said they're looking into it.


tliet – March 19, 2009 02:00AM Reply Quote
Eeuw. Didn't see the replies until my unhelpful reply was posted.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2009 02:01AM by tliet.

Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 19, 2009 05:55PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
YOu need to turn on "allow connections on ethernet port" or some such wording in the airport utility. It's off by default.

ARL (Moderator) – March 20, 2009 02:45AM Reply Quote
No airport card by default on Apple's top of the line Machine? Good God that is silly.

Everything else in the product line has wireless built-in. Why, why, why???


tliet – March 20, 2009 03:22AM Reply Quote
Because Steve doesn't want you to buy expandable hardware, he wants to sell you a box with built-in obsolescence. Then again; a Mac Pro is used mostly in areas where's there's going to be a wired network to begin with, a studio or some type of office.

ARL (Moderator) – March 20, 2009 04:18AM Reply Quote
Then again; a Mac Pro is used mostly in areas where's there's going to be a wired network to begin with, a studio or some type of office.

Mostly? Proof please. Wired networks are dying out and wireless should just be standard on all Macs.

rino – March 20, 2009 08:22AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Frankly wireless doesn't yet compete with wired connections for data moving. I hear you though, a 20 dollar part max for them would be gravy to the customers who desire them.

I have a thought about lack of upgradeability -- eventually even that home built beast needs a new motherboard which is basically the kit and caboodle, right? My dual g5 is approaching 6 years and it still is quite fast (although surprisingly it stutters on my flip "HD" videos). I'm pretty happy about that lifespan.

As much as I long for upgradeability, I'm not sure I want the costs (monetary or psychological with finding/buying the part then finding drivers, etc... buying another part due to compatibilities, etc...).

At the end of the day I do feel a little gouged by this latest Mac Pro update. If I were in the market for an iMac it's a good deal IMO. I also feel the laptops are a pretty good value as well but I just want a wee bit more power.

tliet – March 20, 2009 08:27AM Reply Quote
Well Tony, of course I don't have proof. But the number of people dragging their Mac pros on an airplane and wanting to use it on an airport is going to be quite small I would presume.

Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 20, 2009 10:26PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
The Mac Pro has two gig ethernet ports that you can bond together for higher speed. I don't think you can accuse them of cheaping out on networking. Wireless and workstation are not a natural combination. They include it on every other computer.

ARL (Moderator) – March 21, 2009 04:03AM Reply Quote
It kinda detracts from the elegance of things like time capsule, for example.

stan adams – March 21, 2009 09:25AM Reply Quote
Yeah, in the "hard core" portion of the office everybody turns off wireless and jacks into the Gig ethernet, even portables -- no wireless speed can touch that for transfers of large files.

I can see what Tony is saying about "the look" but the idea is that you are going to put that big ol' cheese grater where it can be admired from only two or three sides, and the "greasy side" is going to cover any cables...

It ain't ALWAYS about the cost. I would guess 85% off cheese graters are going to people that want max connected bandwidth. With XServe I would doubt that even 1% would be wireless.

bahamut – March 21, 2009 09:24PM Reply Quote
I agree about the Mac Pro. I'd never use the wireless on it. But if the part costs $20, it should be there. It's more serious that bluetooth isn't there. I'm tempted to get one though.

The thing that's sad about the Mac Pro is that for $1,800 I'd buy a desktop Mac, but for the price they want I won't touch it. The shit-ass quality of the 17" Macbook Pro models plus the reasonable performance of the Macbook has led me to that form factor. The cost of the desktop keeps me away. They could have $1800 of my money but not what they demand for the Mac Pros. And an iMac is a waste of space. Mac Mini too slow to make me want to buy it. So it goes.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/21/2009 09:29PM by bahamut.

tliet – March 22, 2009 03:58AM Reply Quote
The reasoning behind the Mac pro is that Steve doesn't want you to buy upgradable machines. If you do, he'll charge 150% of the price, so you already paid for the upgrade without getting it. All the other machines will stop you (mostly) from upgrading them, so you'll buy a new one sooner.

rino – March 22, 2009 12:13PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Their lineup sucks for people like me.

I want a laptop but it just doesn't have the power I really use for the big stuff, great for my daily surf and watch and read but not as only machine.

Mac Pro ... who fills "Three open full-length PCI Express expansion slots"??? Only two segments? Audio and video production houses that's who. For fucks sake.
Hell I don't even require one full-length 16 lane express way, just a way to upgrade my video card after a few years.

I will buy another Mini to replace my aging Core Duo version ... but will probably move it up in RAM first. Love this computer for what it does for me.


So DDT you have a new MP -- should I get the Quad or the Octo?

All the naysayers compare the Quad to i7 but it's a different architecture, no? Is it merely the same chip with ECC ram?
There are i7 machines out there for 1300.00 with very nice video cards. This is the sweet spot really. Fast as heck CPU & GPU, a few bays, call it good.

I really do not want the hassle of a Hackintosh. I really want the ease of just buying a MP and using boot camp.

Anyone know of BootCamp/Windows results on the new towers?

ddt – March 22, 2009 06:08PM Reply Quote
rino, if you can hold off until snow leopard is out, you'll have a better idea if you should go in for a penny or a pound.

FLL, i was going to install the Radeon HD 4870 but it has two extra thingies hanging off the card, attached via cables... having trouble finding instructions online. any clue?


Mighty Mouse – March 22, 2009 08:12PM Reply Quote

If I'm not mistaken, those are power connectors and should connect to the power cables in the Mac Pro. I'm not near my new one right now, but I can look tomorrow if you still haven't figured it out.

Mighty Mouse – March 22, 2009 08:18PM Reply Quote

Regarding wireless, it has it's place as far as convenience. There is nothing at all "convenient" about a Mac Pro.

Wireless is still too slow for large data transfers. As for Time Machine, it'll back up over wired connections, so you're not really missing anything there, other than needing to run a cable from it to the Mac Pro.

Wireless is also considerably more laggy than Ethernet. When I'm gaming online, I'm hardwired and wireless is off. Same with LAN parties I host occasionally. And yes, we have tried to play even older games like Diablo II over a wireless network. It's just not there, even at N speeds.

Call me old fashioned, but I still prefer a wired connection to a wireless one any time. Mostly because I want my data (or packets) and I want them NOW.

ARL (Moderator) – March 22, 2009 08:41PM Reply Quote
Hmmm... Maybe that's why I still own the graveyard in WOW.

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