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Granberry's Parlor

tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:46AM Reply Quote
Politics. Don Granberry on the old Spork Boards was quite fond of talking about them, and here we continue on in that fine tradition.

James DeBenedetti – July 14, 2016 06:08PM Reply Quote
Conservatives don't do journalism.

ddt – July 14, 2016 06:22PM Reply Quote
Category error. You can have journalism or your can have partisan.

If you ignore the op/ed section (which is independently managed and has separate, and nutso, content), the WSJ generally does decent journalism -- including, recently, the deep dive into how Theranos was/is basically a scam. That's the same kind of journalism Pro Publica does.

If you're looking for someone to confirm your set conclusions regardless of facts, you're probably not looking for journalism.

There is an area of analysis that overlaps often with journalism outlets, like when someone will stop and say, "Let me tell you what I think". I'm not sure why there is a much stronger relation between, say, Maddow doing this and actual facts as opposed to when someone like Glen Beck or Tucker Carlson does it -- I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. Hint: it involves facts.


James DeBenedetti – July 14, 2016 07:32PM Reply Quote
WSJ journalism is generally focused on facts and numbers ($), not ideology. That's why it's so good – it helps avoid the View From Nowhere that poisons other "journalism". It's not conservative though. Their editorial pages are conservative (not journalism), and it's kinda fun watching the two sides poke at each other from time to time.

ddt – July 14, 2016 07:50PM Reply Quote
Yes, I should have asked, "Do you want journalism, or do you want conservatism? That is, do you want to read journalism that includes news (that may not be positive) about conservatives, or promotions of conservatives?". The news is the news; "getting the message out" is marketing.


John Willoughby – July 14, 2016 09:56PM Reply Quote
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I use the BBC for real news, but I don't go looking for conservative viewpoints.

ARL (Moderator) – July 14, 2016 10:30PM Reply Quote
It is becoming harder to find objective news sources. The BBC (and in Australia the ABC) get criticised for being publicly funded socialist collectives, but at least they're constantly being audited for any demonstrable bias.

Sadly, despite this, and perhaps because they sometimes do too good a job, they get gutted.

While not perfect, there a hell of a lot more transparent than any commercial operations.

Unless you like drudge and dailykos for "balance".

ddt – July 15, 2016 11:41AM Reply Quote

You may not like the tone, but here's an on-the-scene report of what went on with conservative news, in terms of how the Rep convention and process is being shaped. I'm not seeing similar reporting on Drudge, Daily Caller, etc.



ddt – July 15, 2016 02:19PM Reply Quote
Why do you have any faith in that online source? (The translation from French is shaky, and I'm not seeing "suppressed", but "we have conflicting reports, often from people in the middle of a dark and stressful situation, and only preliminary speculation on forensics".)


John Willoughby – July 15, 2016 03:15PM Reply Quote
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I'd not be surprised if religious fanatics thought torture in the name of their cause would be fine, though I'd admit that this story isn't proof.

ddt – July 15, 2016 05:43PM Reply Quote
Hm, Donald "I'd do worse than waterboarding, and kill their families" Trump isn't a _religious_ fanatic... .


ddt – July 19, 2016 07:00PM Reply Quote
Who wanted "a good source for conservative news"? How about a fellow from the American Fucking Enterprise Institute (AFEI)?



El Jeffe – July 19, 2016 07:40PM Reply Quote
What a journey.

El Jeffe – July 20, 2016 04:07AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
In the Venn diagram for this, I might have been better to say best non-anti-conservative-position news outlet. :)

ddt – July 20, 2016 09:25AM Reply Quote
What in your eyes is "anti-conservative"? Or is this a "facts have a known liberal bias" situation?


El Jeffe – July 20, 2016 06:37PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
complete articles and/or sites, or entire author's compendiums that are like less than 10% positive towards it.
Easy to tell, I can do some Find and Replace with various names/places, and see if obfuscating the players/era/time, etc. one would naturally rate the prose as pro or con.

ddt – July 25, 2016 09:25AM Reply Quote

Wait, you know what might be better? Maybe something yellow, a patch. Maybe a star, to show how much the school cares about these students? Six-pointed?



John Willoughby – July 25, 2016 12:59PM Reply Quote
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I think a scarlet letter of some kind might be nice.

ddt – July 25, 2016 02:14PM Reply Quote
First on christian conservative politicians. They do seem to have a high rate of, hm, behavior.


John Willoughby – July 25, 2016 02:52PM Reply Quote
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I continue to marvel over the distress about "political correctness" not allowing Americans to speak their minds. It's not so... they can say whatever they want. What they are really trying to do is avoid consequences for saying what they're thinking. So many Republicans have been caught in horrible sexist, racist, homophobic, or otherwise disgusting intolerant speech that they are trying to ensure that there can be no consequences for it. So much easier than actually not saying grossly offensive things.

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