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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:43AM Reply Quote
Every election is the most important one.

John Willoughby – December 14, 2018 11:28AM Reply Quote
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All that matters is profit. Let the world burn, but fatten your bottom line.

John Willoughby – December 15, 2018 03:37PM Reply Quote
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Yeah, the demographics in our country are changing and the GOP has realized that they've ridden the horse of democracy about as far as it will take them. They're looking to autocracy to take them the rest of the way to their glorious future.

ddt – December 21, 2018 11:05AM Reply Quote
How do your Republican relatives feel that they're not going to get services they've been expecting from the government because now the argument is exactly how and in which way not Mexico but the American taxpayer is going to pay for "wall" (note that they now don't say "the wall") or slats?


John Willoughby – December 21, 2018 08:33PM Reply Quote
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They never believed in the wall, the government shuts down all the time, Trump's an ass, but at least their taxes are low.

I'm actually more likely to get them motivated with Trump's abrupt, moronic troop withdrawals from Syria and Afghanistan.

ARL (Moderator) – December 21, 2018 09:24PM Reply Quote
I wonder how Trump supporters feel about the revolving door at the White House with what, 40 plus resignations/sackings etc - or are they instant traitors once they leave?

ddt – December 22, 2018 10:24AM Reply Quote
Interesting, thanks. I was wondering how the "we don't want taxes but now we're fighting to pay $5bn more" would play, but then I realized the whole deficit-warrior thing similarly has become irrelevant as our deficit has boomed.

Why don't the hard-core republicans like the troop withdrawals?

ARL, if you want to get a sense of the groupthink: if you can take it, you can browse the top comments on related redstate.com stories. It's interesting to see how ingrained the No True Scotsman fallacy there is, the strawmanning of the left -- though there are more and more "this is incompetent" posts.


John Willoughby – December 22, 2018 02:09PM Reply Quote
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Why don't the hard-core republicans like the troop withdrawals?

Well, again I'm channelling for relatives that I haven't yet discussed this with, but some of them were in New York on 9/11. I don't think that they would be on board with abandoning the campaign against ISIS, leaving it to Syria and Russia to complete (or not).

(In an aside, I am furious that we are abandoning the Kurds AGAIN, this time leaving them to face annihilation from our "allies," the Turks.)

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John Willoughby – December 22, 2018 02:16PM Reply Quote
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My GOP relatives are all about finances and the markets, and Trump is now threatening to fire the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. I commented that I couldn't see how that could go wrong (sarcastically), and I got this reply:

I also am not seeing much reason any more for the Cabinet. Adolf had a much more compact government and decision making process--nobody ever complained about interest rates between 1932 and 1945

Sarcasm on his part, as I hope is obvious.

He's definitely anti-Trump, but to vote Democrat would be to embrace socialism, liberal judges, and raise taxes. He'll never do it.

tliet – December 23, 2018 12:26AM Reply Quote

but to vote Democrat would be to embrace socialism, liberal judges, and raise taxes.

As I’m trying to gauge the US’ and the UK’s underbelly, i’m reading foxnews.com and thesun.co.uk with a sort of antropologists view. I truly feel sorry for people that are completely misinformed by the Murdoch machine, and sometimes wonder how those organizations keep getting away with this. World views like that are likely the result of this misinformation and keep people voting against their best interest. I wonder what it would take to change the paradigm. Another World War?

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tliet – December 23, 2018 12:56AM Reply Quote
Coincidently, the NYT just posted an article about this type of behaviour; Where Government Is a Dirty Word, but Its Checks Pay the Bills

ddt – December 23, 2018 10:22AM Reply Quote
Ton, you might also want to check out Right Wing Watch and Right Richter (https://www.thedailybeast.com/newsletters). And, as I said before, if you can keep mental distance, the comments on RedState and Townhall -- it's truly a different epistemic bubble.


tliet – December 25, 2018 12:25AM Reply Quote
Thanks Daniel, I've checked them out, but I've decided that once every while manually reading those sites for research purposes will keep me sane. Compressing things into an email digest might tip the balance ;-)

In other news, 10 years ago we had adults in the government when the economy went south. Sure, the Obama administration should have tried some bankers to get them into jail to give the 'market' a message and really plugging holes by creating even bigger holes should only have been a temporary measure. But overall, the adults kept things going for a short while.

Unfortunately the Republicans didn't really clean up afterwards and after claiming the inherited economy for 1.5 years, our tantrum throwing baby is now actively helping the economy jumping off a cliff again. One wonders what will happen when the liquidity really starts drying up due to trust issues roaring their head.

Merry Christmas everyone!

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John Willoughby – December 31, 2018 10:08PM Reply Quote
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So Elizabeth Warren has declared her intention to run in 2020. Certainly competent enough, especially with regard to the current guy.

ARL (Moderator) – January 01, 2019 07:07AM Reply Quote
She’s a good “I’m not business as usual” candidate and I hope her running mate is similar.

Here’s hoping 2020 is where the US chooses socialism over fascism...

John Willoughby – January 01, 2019 06:28PM Reply Quote
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Here’s hoping 2020 is where the US chooses socialism over fascism...

We'll choose both. National Socialism...

ddt – January 01, 2019 07:43PM Reply Quote
Ugh, don't get into the specious "Liberal Fascism"/"Nazis were national SOCIALISTs" bullshit.

Yeehaw, a libertarian holiday! (Yes, I'm being snarky, and no proof these were libertarians; my point is that regulations and laws aren't just suppression of Ubermenschen.)


John Willoughby – January 02, 2019 01:01PM Reply Quote
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I'm aware of the differences between national socialism and true socialism, but given the way our government has been lurching blindly to the right, I thought my response appropriate.

I've got no problem at all with modern, Western European-style socialism.

Also, we should just shut the national parks down during government shutdowns. It would suck to damage local economies and ruin long-planned vacations, but the parks are there to preserve the wilderness for future generations and they can't do that if we trash them now.

ddt – January 02, 2019 02:26PM Reply Quote
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you were conflating that -- in my head, I was thinking, "that's such a pile of horseshit argument that I hope we never have to think about that topic again".


tliet – January 02, 2019 02:42PM Reply Quote
The social democratic nature of past European governments (long since replaced by neoliberal governments that are selling out to the market) has very little to do with socialism.

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