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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:43AM Reply Quote
Every election is the most important one.

ARL (Moderator) – March 19, 2008 10:35PM Reply Quote
< em>, < b>, < strong>, & < i> all don't seem to work for me.

Nor does [ b] or [ i] when i use the phorum buttons.

Doe my previous post have any bold or italics in it? Doesn't show anything on my browser...

tomierna (Admin) – March 19, 2008 11:56PM Reply Quote
Hideously Unnatural
This is a test of em
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tomierna (Admin) – March 19, 2008 11:57PM Reply Quote
Hideously Unnatural
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This is a test of em
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This is a test of hitting the "Quote" link next to my post

tomierna (Admin) – March 19, 2008 11:58PM Reply Quote
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This is a test of me using the quote icon above the message box, and using a bit of formatting inside.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2008 11:58PM by tomierna.

tomierna (Admin) – March 20, 2008 12:01AM Reply Quote
Hideously Unnatural
Looking at the source of your post, Tony, it looks like you had some superfluous > characters in there. I've edited the post to reflect what I believe to be your intent.

Extra < or > characters probably confuse the parser.

ARL (Moderator) – March 20, 2008 12:12AM Reply Quote
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This is a test of em
This is a test of b
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This is a test of i

This is a test of hitting the "Quote" link next to my post

< em> and < i> don't work in your test post, Tom (at least on my browser, what do others see?)

stan adams – March 20, 2008 01:30AM Reply Quote
looks ok to me

El Jeffe – March 20, 2008 06:30AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
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yeah, what IS the deal with the QUOTE function!!!!

What is the deal?

Did you fix it?

What a journey.

tomierna (Admin) – March 20, 2008 10:12AM Reply Quote
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em and i look italicized in my test.

Tony, what browser are you using?

Do you have any custom CSS set up?

Did you recently upgrade to Safari 3.1, but haven't yet updated utilities that have broken, like Saft?

ARL (Moderator) – March 20, 2008 10:00PM Reply Quote
Weird. Today my browser (Safari 2.0.4 -- still on 10.4.10 as 10.4.11 blows chunks) parses everything correctly.

I'll test in Firefox etc and then I'll know the problem was at my end. Stoopid Safari...

ARL (Moderator) – March 20, 2008 10:01PM Reply Quote
DPBD!

And thanks for putting up with my grizzling, Tom.

ddt – March 21, 2008 06:51PM Reply Quote
you know, going back to the "obama threw his grandmother under the bus" thing: i listened to that part of his speech again, and i don't understand what he did that was "throwing under the bus".

he said that his grandmother:

1. was great
2. loved him a whole bunch
3. confessed to him she got scared sometimes when she saw a black man

#3, to me, doesn't really indicate she was an active racist -- it sounded like he was implying she was confessing to him, and sorry of the fact. many women of that age were brought up by people who taught them to be afraid. yet it sounds like she overcame it, or at least knew it was conditioning that was very, very wrong. and it couldn't have been easy to confess that.

and, you know, i love my dad a lot, but i'll admit he's not handy with tools, doesn't pick up after himself well and is kind of afraid of the world in general. he had a lot to overcome when he was young, and did, but still, he was brought up hearing about the holocaust and how his family didn't all escape. so, i don't like that he carries that fear, and i hope he can overcome it eventually, but that was drilled into him. as that fear was drilled into obama's grandmother.

did he insult her? no. did he say she was a racist? no. she was certainly conditioned and damaged by racism, though -- and i think that was obama's point.

ddt

El Jeffe – March 21, 2008 07:04PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
good to know you got his back

What a journey.

rino – March 21, 2008 07:38PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Today he called her a "typical white person".

I think calling someone a "typical white person" is a problem of harboring racist attitudes.

I bet the bitch can't dance either.

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Someone beat me to it!
http://www.cafepress.com/typicalwp


http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=obama+typical+white+person&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/21/2008 07:38PM by rino.

El Jeffe – March 21, 2008 08:30PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
yeowch

What a journey.

Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 22, 2008 08:12AM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
Nice. Way to move the conversation from race relations to another attack on Obama.
This country has no hope.

stan adams – March 22, 2008 09:09AM Reply Quote
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Today he called her a "typical white person".

I think calling someone a "typical white person" is a problem of harboring racist attitudes.

I bet the bitch can't dance either.

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Someone beat me to it!
http://www.cafepress.com/typicalwp

Just ordered my thong...


I do share Phred's sentiments -- the "typical white person" quote that is circulating typifies how WE HAVE LET the media control the discourse about what sort of politics this country is going to have. It is SO very easy for the radioshow blabbers on both sides (one Senatorial candidate from MN falls into this too) to cease on to a few second utterance and play it over & over.

If we allow Obama to go down in flames over this it is no different than "Brown-y is doin' a helluva job".

It is no different than the Dean Scream.

It is no different than "that woman".

It is no "the bombing begins in 5 minutes".

We can either be trapped by these things or reject them...

Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 22, 2008 09:17AM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
Even Fox anchors have had enough

Chris wallace takes the "typical white women" attacks apart. That's a FOX anchor. The world is coming to an end.

rino – March 22, 2008 09:42AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
> typifies how WE HAVE LET the media control the discourse about what sort of politics this country is going to have.

Actually, this is what Obama spoke of in his grand speech on race.
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For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

That is one option. Or, at this moment, in this election, we can come together and say, "Not this time." This time we want to talk about the crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children and Asian children and Hispanic children and Native American children. This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can't learn; that those kids who don't look like us are somebody else's problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids, and we will not let them fall behind in a 21st century economy. Not this time.

And despite my snarkiness, for a I have a true revulsion at the sentiment "typical white person" (as if... we are just as diverse and different as black folk), I agree with him here.

I really like what Dave Winer wrote on this topic:
http://www.scripting.com/stories/2008/03/20/myNameIsDaveAndImARacist.html

Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 22, 2008 10:43AM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
let's put the "typical white person in context, shall we. Obama didn't say that as part of any prepared speech. He said it on a sports radio program.
Obama told the radio host, "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

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