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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:43AM Reply Quote
Every election is the most important one.

ddt – March 08, 2008 06:52PM Reply Quote

4. move the redistricting process to a non-partisan, maybe judicial process. eliminate gerrymandering. this (i've seen it in CA) results in districts that skew heavily to one party's rabid base, so primary winners tend to be the most extreme, policy-wise.

as for the FL mess: on the public scale, any messing up of the process, any friction created between the state/voters and the national committee is good PR for the republicans. no-lose, there. on the less visible side, any leeching of funds from the DNC and/or the state D fund weakens the D candidate's efforts in the national election. so it doesn't really matter who they wanted to win or not. it's monkeywrenching.


El Jeffe – March 10, 2008 09:19AM Reply Quote
What a journey.

Mokers (Moderator) – March 10, 2008 11:57AM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
Dr Phred
Sources? When did the pubs try to remove clinton delegates? I'm just talking Florida, though the Florida governor was saying that the Michigan delegates should be sat even though Obama wasn't even on the ballot.

I am actually not sure what we are arguing about here. Florida voted to move its primary earlier in May of last year:


That means that the DNC had a chance to resolve this issue for 8 months. Howard Dean had his ultimatum (as head of the DNC, I'll let the buck stop with him) that the Florida delagates would not be seated. Now that there is talk of redoing the voting, that would say to me the ultimatum has failed. Yes, I am talking with the benefit of hindsight, but it would have been easier if the DNC had sorted this out months ago. The DNC decides whether to seat the delegates or not, not the state politicians.

Yes, the Republicans changed the date, but they did so knowing the Republicans would also dock them delegates. The action of the lawmakers affected both parties equally. The shit hit the fan only when the DNC couldn't come up with a solution. I don't think the DNC should be held accountable for all of the problems with our primary system, and maybe this little exercise will be good when it comes to sorting out future elections, but right here, right now, I put the blame at their feet.

stan adams – March 10, 2008 12:24PM Reply Quote
Here is something that probably does not get much coverage. Sometimes when a election goes one way it is not so much a "win" for the victor as a "loss" for the other guy --

The simple story of who one the special election for former Speaker of the House Hastert's seat:


The more honest assessment:


Fact is the the author of the second piece is a war horse of the rock ribbed GOP in Illinois and is more than qualified to speak to how candidates lose -- and how others can be 'helped' to victory. As I've said before, Obama had an EXCEPTIONALLY easy path to the Senate -- that he may come to regret.

ARL (Moderator) – March 12, 2008 08:40PM Reply Quote
This site is just a tad shrill but interesting nonetheless:


El Jeffe – March 14, 2008 12:03PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Finally! Another calming voice from MN


What a journey.

rino – March 14, 2008 12:07PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
So what of this brouhaha?

El Jeffe – March 14, 2008 12:24PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I listened to the audio podcast of this speech. This is why I have begun listening to the other parts of the world's news. I am absolutely sick and tired of politics here. I know... grass greener stuff....

What a journey.

rino – March 14, 2008 03:29PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
In other circles:

> Christopher Hitchens (author), Dan Savage (columnist), Shashi Tharoor (author), and Harry Shearer (comedian) on Real Time with Bill Maher (02.29.08).

Sounds like McCain hangs with a religious weirdo too! Serious.

I just picked up my ticket to hear Hitchens speak on campus... can't wait.

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El Jeffe – March 15, 2008 04:45PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Hey, wonderboy is in town (plainfield is part of indy, so to speak) I bet Jcoop went, being a good democrat that he is. ;)


What a journey.

El Jeffe – March 15, 2008 06:38PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Obama 'interrogated' practically, by fox news.


I have to say that aside from the fact that he should have known more about this stuff, I have to say that he answers pretty much as would I. And I have come away with more respect for him than I otherwise would have. But, now, about his stances on other things......

I give him an A+ for his side of this interrogation.

What a journey.

Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 15, 2008 08:12PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
but why the fuck would any democrat want to waste his or her time talking to the Fox Republican Propaganda Ministry?

ARL (Moderator) – March 15, 2008 09:40PM Reply Quote
Why don't they just let Joe Lieberman be the token Democrat on Faux News and be done with it?

Mokers (Moderator) – March 16, 2008 12:07AM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
What is so bad about talking to Fox? If you can't take shit from Hannity, imagine if the person you are talking to has nukes. Democrats just feed into fox news by complaining so much. If CNN or MSNBC had people who asked those sort of questions, Fox news would be out of business. Don't like Fox News? Tell your politicians to grow a pair.

John Willoughby – March 16, 2008 12:24AM Reply Quote
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>Tell your politicians to grow a pair.

Mine did. Then Ken Starr went after him for using them.

ghidorah – March 16, 2008 01:01AM Reply Quote
Raise taxes on cavemen. --jw
>If CNN or MSNBC had people who asked those sort of questions, Fox news would be out of business.

... and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Forgive me for being blunt but its been a hell of a day and I have a killer headache, and perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. What it sounds like you're saying here is that if all the other "news" outlets would just become a shill for the republican party then Fox wouldn't need to? How convenient.

And from the sound of it, Obama acquitted himself well, therefor he must already "have a pair." Although I'm sure he's touched by your concern for his sex life.

tliet – March 16, 2008 02:04AM Reply Quote
Wait a minute, this is about a pastor in some church? I'd like to see these kind of questions asked at the great decider about 9/11, going to war in Iraq. You know, stuff that matters.

ddt – March 16, 2008 03:41AM Reply Quote
why aren't pundits and the media clamoring for mcain to repudiate hagee? there's a man mccain sought out, calls his spiritual advisor, who calls the catholic church "the great whore", islam a "false religion" and wants wars to break out because they will be a sign of the impending rapture.

seriously. look up hagee's quotes from any preferred news source.


Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 16, 2008 07:54AM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
That's BS Mokers. No one NEEDS to be asking the partisan hack questions that FOX asks. and no one needs to grow a pair except those people who hide behind that propaganda machine to avoid admitting their own one-sided views.

Mokers (Moderator) – March 17, 2008 10:36AM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
No, what I am saying is that Fox News is around because there is a need. Whether or not you feel like that need is necessary, it has filled a void and has become a success. The fact that Fox News is so successful (and yes, I am talking strictly ratings here) should be a great big fucking hint to everybody else. Surely, I am not going to say that Fox News doesn't have an agenda, but I think every source of news has an agenda. I am skeptical of Fox News, but I am skeptical of almost all news media.

Fox News exists because it has an audience. The war on drugs should tell you that this problem isn't going away by attacking the supply.

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