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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:43AM Reply Quote
Every election is the most important one.

ARL (Moderator) – May 14, 2008 07:02PM Reply Quote

stan adams – May 14, 2008 07:24PM Reply Quote
It ain't over till HILLARY says so...

El Jeffe – May 14, 2008 09:58PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
if it's edwards, the two far-left leaners will position themselves right out of a win

tliet – May 14, 2008 11:18PM Reply Quote
Funny what the definition is of 'far left' when most of the world would still call them pretty right wing. Just like someone who's not immediately in agreement with war and violence is called a 'radical' in the US.

El Jeffe – May 15, 2008 04:31AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Then, that would mean we have no true extremists on either side here in your view as well, if we're condensed at the ends.

ARL (Moderator) – May 15, 2008 04:47AM Reply Quote
No, just skewed towards one end.

stan adams – May 15, 2008 09:34AM Reply Quote
I am not going to get into the "left v right" thing but I will say that the Jr. Senator from Illinois could learn a thing or two from the former Senator about pretty basic stuff. Edwards is a very wealthy man, but he made his money in the lucrative theatrical world of personal injury/medical malpractice. People can easily relate to that. In contrast both former President Clinton and NY's Senator Clinton would not have two dimes to rub together if it weren't for their connections. People DO NOT like that. If Edwards helps Obama setup a handshaking at even one Lowes or Home Depot or they head to a NASCAR race together Hillary is toast.

People that work for a living care a whole helluva lot less about the "pity for the poor" that Edwards previously focused his campaign on than on having a sense that "their guy" can do SOMETHING to make sure the "well connected" don't take more skin off the their hardworking asses than is being stripped away by gas prices, food prices, property taxes, and all the rest.

If Edwards can help Obama craft a believable "I feel your pain" message this thing might finally be over.

In the absence of the boys crafting a message of "I.f.y.p" than some one has to get busy painting Hillary as the Leona Helmsley of the Bill's administration. Not a hard job, but somehow I thing it would be very distasteful for either Obama or McCain to dump on a fellow member of the THE Club of One-Hundred...

ddt – May 16, 2008 07:27PM Reply Quote
ah, now we're seeing the secret wheeling and dealing, and how the evil trial lawyer wants to make personal gain out of his role in the election.

ah, who'm i kidding. sure there'll be ways to spin this as edwards transparently seeing personal glory, or profit, or some motivation. sad that only such things seem possible in the minds of some people.


stan adams – May 17, 2008 07:48AM Reply Quote
ddt --

I was not bagging on Edwards at all -- I truly believe that if you asked 1000 random voters who said that right now they had want "change" that change is ABSOLUTELY not going to be about new governmnet efforts to "reduce poverty" it is 100% going to be about not seeing gas prices continue to rise along with food prices and total taxes, including local/property taxes.

On a personal level, if any candidate were to say something like Lamar Alexander or Jack Kemp did in their campaigns about increasing American competitiveness by investing in education and improving the labor pool of the USA vis a vis the world I would completely behind them. Unfortunately it seems, given Kemp's & Alexander's lack of post-run success, that not too many other folks feel that way.

I might also add that highlighting poverty is not a particularly good way to win an election either -- it would be far better to illustrate "disparity" but somehow I just don't think that Edwards is/was the right guy to say "oh my god the little guy doesn't stand a chance in this county" becuase his whole reason for being is that with the right advocate the little guy can and does prevail against the big bad rich dude all the time. It also strikes me that despite Hillary's "women have it so hard in this male dominated world in which we must toil" that she has one helluva list of impressive accomplished women backing her oppressed ass. From CEOs to Supreme Court Justices to Senators, Governors and elected/appointed officials of all stripes the oppression is awfully damn subtle if the only woman in the country qualified to be POTUS had to bear a child of a former POTUS. I think the AKC had a similar rule about "grand champions" back in the 1900's...

And that leaves the question of why Edwards would side with Senator "Harvard Law Review/labor organizer/typical Illinois politician/UofC darling" -- I'm guessing because it seems awfully damned likely to nearly everybody in the DNC that he is gonna win. The other night Rahm "call me the architect's nemisis" Emmanual was on the local PBS station being his coy little self and smiling his smug Chesire smile and saying he would be extraordinarily happy with the odds of either his party's candidates would defeat the presumptive GOP nominee. The host asked if would endorse either one. He would not do so at this time. The host pressed, what would have to happen for the Dem's leader in the popular & delegate count to not go on to be the nominee? At first Rahm demurred by as the host continued to press, in ever more obscure ways, Rahm finally basically said if some 'highly unusual' were to happen/surface or some tragedy were to prevent the current leader the runner up would be extra-ordinarily well prepped to become the leader. That tells me that even serious leaders are not ruling out the possibility of the "James Earl Ray/ 'operation Vince Foster Part Deux" scenarios -- now before you go all "he's a delusion conspiracy theorist" on me, I don't think that will happen. For one I believe that the Secret Service is going to extreme lengths to be sure that they do everything they can to keep Obama safe. Further I really don't think Hillary has it in her, whether she merely drove Foster over the suicide edge with her own madness or there was something more active (which seems incredibly remote a possibility) I don't think the old ugly tired 'running on prescription everything and getting Lon Cheney level makeup at every turn' HIllary has the same spunk as younger angrier slighty more vain Hillary of the first Clinton term did... She can't beat Obama, but Obama knows a dead man can't beat McCain.

rino – May 17, 2008 10:46AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.



Amazing. He's supposed to be a christian? And the "right kind" of christian according to those warped ones.

El Jeffe – May 17, 2008 12:56PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
yeah, I'm sad I am not down there. It's just an hour or so away from me. I so wanted to go. And I heard they will/would allow one to carry at the convention, too. That'd be fabulous.

rino – May 18, 2008 08:16PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
In other stupid comments:

If you want a giant taco that poops ice cream to run the country, vote for Obama.

Posted by: Sallie | May 18, 2008 9:11 PM

Hah. Hah! What a great representative of your country.

From here:

Which is a mention of some 75,000 out to see/hear Obama:

Record Obama Crowd, the Size of a City
By Matthew Mosk
PORTLAND, Ore. -- Sen. Barack Obama has seen his share of large crowds over the last 15 months, but his campaign said they have not approached the numbers gathered along the waterfront here right now.

The campaign, citing figures from Duane Bray, battalion chief of Portland Fire & Rescue, estimated that 75,000 people are watching him speak.

The scene suggests this is not an exaggeration. The sea of heads stretches for half a mile along the grassy embankment, while others watch from kayaks and power boats bobbing on the Willamette River. More hug the rails of the steel bridge that stretches across the water and crowds are even watching from jetties on the opposite shore.

tliet – May 19, 2008 12:09AM Reply Quote
Wow, there's some serious classy commenting going on there.

Madaracs – May 20, 2008 01:37PM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!

El Jeffe – May 20, 2008 04:02PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
how dare you imply only black men fart.

Madaracs – May 20, 2008 04:35PM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
Which one of them is black?

tliet – May 24, 2008 01:32AM Reply Quote

So, the word assassination has been dropped now. She's uttered the word now.


El Jeffe – May 24, 2008 05:47AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
two things everyone needs to get over.

1. We are not attacking Iran
2. No one will harm Obama

tliet – May 24, 2008 09:29AM Reply Quote
What amazes me is that the word has been uttered (assassination) by Hillary. It has absolutely no use whatsoever in any plan that she needs to publicly discuss.

Iran; well, I think the neocons lack any form of support now with Bush' ratings in the sewer. So to do this now is a sure way of "go directly to jail and don't collect your 2 trillion."

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/24/2008 09:30AM by tliet.

John Willoughby – May 24, 2008 03:37PM Reply Quote
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I'm for Obama, but even I think that the context she brought it up in is fine. She was saying other people were still actively campaigning in June, and cited her husband and RFK, who was assassinated in June while on the campaign trail.

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