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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:43AM Reply Quote
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ARL (Moderator) – March 03, 2018 08:30PM Reply Quote
Maybe if the the rest of the world slapped huge tariffs on guns the NRA would have a quiet word with him...

johnny k – March 04, 2018 03:31PM Reply Quote
Ha, I think the domestic market has a sufficient appetite.

ddt – March 04, 2018 05:36PM Reply Quote
Does he have any idea where "European" cars are made or what materials they are made of and -- oh, sorry, for a moment I thought we were in a normal democracy.

ddt

ddt – March 04, 2018 05:42PM Reply Quote
Think it was a recent ProPublica podcast or report but their research showed that in the last year the market for guns and ammo in the U.S. has seen a glut of supply compared to demand -- sales went way up during Obama years and peaked when it seemed Clinton was going to win in 2016. So now gun shops are slashing prices and manufacturers have warehouses sitting full.

ddt

porruka (Admin) – March 04, 2018 08:19PM Reply Quote
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Think it was a recent ProPublica podcast or report but their research showed that in the last year the market for guns and ammo in the U.S. has seen a glut of supply compared to demand -- sales went way up during Obama years and peaked when it seemed Clinton was going to win in 2016. So now gun shops are slashing prices and manufacturers have warehouses sitting full.

ddt

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johnny k – March 05, 2018 01:11PM Reply Quote
So maybe the gun manufacturers are okay with Trump talking about the possibility of Taking Their Guns.

ARL (Moderator) – March 07, 2018 01:12AM Reply Quote
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johnny k – March 08, 2018 10:48AM Reply Quote
But it has concessions to Democrats! "free credit monitoring to military members" - even that sounds like a Republican sop.

This one was pretty disappointing. Some senators on there that I liked. But as voter enthusiasm rises with progressive candidates, the mainstream party looks even more baldly like creatures of the Swamp.

Warren vs. Trump would be a curious campaign. I love her, but I wonder how her Harvard Professor facet plays with the general public. I guess no one can call her an out-of-touch intellectual with her stump speech. Since she's not going to get those Mitt Romney-ass fiscal conservatives (ironic since she's the one being fiscally conservative with banking regulations), she will need to peel off working class Trump voters like Sanders would've. And maybe she will, by dint of not being a bloviating spectacle.

I also think that trading soundbites with Trump is bad for elections, but people seem to like that kind of thing, and at least I know she has the substance behind it. And there's the possibility that her pugnaciousness (as opposed to Clinton's above-the-fray air) is what will win those people. Trump will have to come up with more nicknames for her to not sound like the tired old racist that he is.

ddt – March 08, 2018 12:04PM Reply Quote
1. Always listen to Charlie: https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a19157376/bipartisan-banking-bill-does-not-mean-good/

2. I'm of the "putting Warren in the White House would take her away from the work she wants to do, that it's really important work" camp

3. Judging from the flood of "Pochahontas" and worse comments on local newspaper sites whenever she makes the news, it seems pretty clear how poisoned the well is in terms of certain interests framing her as a person, so that her work and message are inextricable from the Five Year's Hate-on that coincidentally serves the profits of these aforementioned certain interests

ddt

bahamut – March 08, 2018 01:03PM Reply Quote
In person, at least, Warren doesn't seem so much professorial as a working class person. Now that may mean a strict schoolteacher which may not be good! And her speech at the 2016 DNC was a flop. Plus Trump is well over a foot taller. I would say Biden/Warren 2020, Biden going for one term. They would seem MUCH more working class than Trump. He's always been popular with them, blacks too.

John Willoughby – March 08, 2018 01:10PM Reply Quote
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I don't think Warren is a good speaker. I support her ideas and would vote for her, but her oratory sounds patronizing and condescending to me. I can only imagine how I'd react to it if I disagreed with her positions.



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johnny k – March 08, 2018 02:44PM Reply Quote
Agreed, Baha, I think she's too passionate to come across as professorial, and with the complex subjects she attacks and her intended audience (voters, not the political class), it can be a challenge not to come across as patronizing. I've found her screeds good, mostly because she makes sharp points and is passionate. Definitely not laying anything on you two in particular, but would a male version of her be a patronizing schoolteacher? I do think that perception is something she'll need to deflect or make work for her, but at least she doesn't have Clinton's calculated demeanor. I wonder whether only an old white male can get away with being Bernie Sanders, but fuck if I'm going to give my primary vote to a conservative choice because they'll be more appealing to the unwashed (and fuck if I'm going to withhold my vote from someone whom bros also happen to like).

John Willoughby – March 08, 2018 03:10PM Reply Quote
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I have considered whether my reaction to Warren's oratory is gender-biased. It may be; I don't know how to tell. it bothers me that it might be. I'm not sure what to do about it, other than support her and vote for her if she becomes the nominee. It makes me worry, that if I can have this visceral gut reaction, how others will perceive her. Like it or not, part of running for president is charisma.

johnny k – March 08, 2018 04:50PM Reply Quote
In the case of our senate race, I sure hope charisma is part of it.

John Willoughby – March 08, 2018 04:54PM Reply Quote
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It would be nice to see the last of Cruz.

ARL (Moderator) – March 08, 2018 11:07PM Reply Quote
To me, Warren comes across as authentic and not in anyone's pocket. Two qualities Hillary never had and never will.

I used to wonder if my dislike of Hillary was because of some subconscious bias against female candidates but no, I'd vote for Warren in a heartbeat. Hillary is Wall street bland.

I like Warren's "fire & brimstone" style speeches like this one. Champagne quality socialism (lemme hear that dirty word!), two thumbs way way up.

Of course, because I like her, she'd never win.



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James DeBenedetti – March 09, 2018 12:23AM Reply Quote
Given the demographic profile of Democratic voters, I think it would be a mistake for them to nominate a 70+ year old for President, no matter who it is.

johnny k – March 09, 2018 09:46AM Reply Quote
Agreed, but on the principle that we've had enough old people running the government past the point of senility.(But at least women don't go senile as quickly as men do.) There really should be an age limit, if not a term limit. Even if it catches some perfectly good people, public office is not a right, and there's no shortage of people who can do the job.

ARL (Moderator) – March 13, 2018 10:59AM Reply Quote
Farewell Rex...

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