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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:43AM Reply Quote
Every election is the most important one.

El Jeffe – January 09, 2008 12:40PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Brought to you by the previous administration's efforts, they were. Then, .... you can figure out the rest.

What a journey.

morganti – January 09, 2008 12:48PM Reply Quote
dont you realize, the deficits of the last 7 years are clintons fault? Helloooo???

Did you not get your National Review Memo????

Morg "But Clinton's economic problems were his own, not papa bushes... duh" anti

ddt – January 09, 2008 12:49PM Reply Quote
uh huh... so the reagan years were due to the carter administration and so on... ?


Dr. Strangelove – January 09, 2008 01:24PM Reply Quote
One thing I realized in the past week or so is that the only thing I want out of the next election is the ability to forget about the hideous nightmare of the Bush/Cheney administration as soon as possible, and the best candidate for that is Obama. In that regard, it's basically a feature that he didn't exist before 2006, and his positions on the so-called issues don't matter nearly as much as the fact that I'll have a good chance not to feel embarrassed to be an American for the first time in eight years.

stan adams – January 09, 2008 01:26PM Reply Quote
A lot of things are right on the money. One of the things that McCain & Obama have in common is a HUGE pile of "personal likability" . For Obama it comes from his smile/style and "the Dream". For McCain it ain't based on looks but on conviction -- when he gets choked up about how much it means to him to "serve his country" you'd have to be completely clueless to not see the man in thisclose to having a flashback of having his jet shot down and getting tortured...

Both McCain & Obama have the potential to use their 'star power' to mostly write their own ticket in the Senate. Despite McCain's long tenure he is beholden to no one -- that is reflected in his voting record (and also in Webb's, who I neglected to remember -- and he has that whole "my own man thing down cold too -- but in a scary ass mean way).

OTOH Obama has NOT set out on his own AT ALL, he is pretty much a clone of Durbin. I suspect that there was/is more a than a little "triangulation" on the part of Hillary and the 'rest' of the party that allowed him to enter the field. After he won Iowa it did PUMP him up HUGE and maybe that was not part of Hillary's "approved script". I do think that her superior organization (ties to labor, including teacher's unions and every elected Dem alive...) is what got her over the top in NH. The "road to Perdition" for Obama should be short, and if it proves "good drama" as a fair foot race one possible outcome might result in a VP slot for Barack -- of course right now he really does believe he is in this ONLY FOR FIRST but he is a bright guy and can do the calculations. (And if not Hillary's Vince Foster team is reading up on how to make hit look like either a James Earl Ray thing or a Sirhan Sirhan thing, depending on how much unrest would be caused by a cracker or middle easterner). I kid I kid...

Mokers is right -- the polls are worse than meaningless. The "anybody beats Hillary" thing is just too far out -- what the hell happens if (when) the GOP candidate gets blasted with the blowback of the incompetance -- you may hate her and thing she has all the appeal of the lizards from V without their human skin, but nobody is going suggest she is not competent.

Unless of course this all an illusion, and we can still crown Obama in 377 days...

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2008 01:27PM by stan adams.

John Willoughby – January 09, 2008 01:30PM Reply Quote
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>riiiight... He's the MOST establishment candidate IN the frikkin race. House in 1982, Senate in 86? That's as establishment as it gets.

Traditional Republican values from 1980 would BE a massive change from the NeoCon Crusade for foreign adventure, big government, and global isolation.

johnny k – January 09, 2008 01:37PM Reply Quote
Times were rough! Even the president couldn't afford a nice dinner and had to eat fast food.

ghidorah – January 09, 2008 03:25PM Reply Quote
Raise taxes on cavemen. --jw
you may hate her and thing she has all the appeal of the lizards from V without their human skin, but nobody is going suggest she is not competent.

To tell you the truth, I don't hate Hillary. Infact I like most of the ideas she's put forward. I just think she's the perfect candidate to gt out the vote--for the GOP. She (lIke Huckabee IMHO) is just too polarizing a figure to capture enough of the moderates/independents/centrists to swing the election.

Dr. Strangelove – January 14, 2008 05:32PM Reply Quote
Thought I posted this earlier today, must not have hit "Post message". Maybe I put it in the wrong thread?

Anyway, via Lawyers, Guns, Money, this comparison of GOP candidates and Buffy villians seems pretty spot-on to me.

El Jeffe – January 19, 2008 02:23PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I'm ready to predict.
Romney vs Obama
Obama wins.

What a journey.

rino – January 21, 2008 10:52AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Bill is killing us softly ... I agree with the general analysis, he should shut it. Bad overall for the party.

El Jeffe – January 21, 2008 12:20PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Looks like FLL/Phred is celebrating. Less than a year 'to go'.

What a journey.

Madaracs – January 21, 2008 12:28PM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
I know I am. Republican or not-- everyone should be happy!

tliet – January 23, 2008 10:44AM Reply Quote
Of course, it all depends on the meaning or your interpretation of the word 'false'....


WASHINGTON - A study by two nonprofit journalism organizations found that President Bush and top administration officials issued hundreds of false statements about the national security threat from Iraq in the two years following the 2001 terrorist attacks.

El Jeffe – January 23, 2008 12:29PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
You and DDT should get a room. Did they define "is" anywhere?

What a journey.

stan adams – January 23, 2008 12:35PM Reply Quote
The local press reaction to Hill going negative on Obama is kind of extreme -- local coot Andrew Greely goes to absurb lenghts:

"the Clinton machine has destroyed Obama -- inexperienced, idealistic, naive, unlikely to respond to terrorists, cocaine sniffing, insensitive, teller of fairy tales, deficient by his own admission in orderliness. How can one role the dice on such man?

As a result, the Republicans are likely to win the election, the war will continue, perhaps for another decade, Hispanics will continue to be inkblots for racial hatred, and attempts to begin a new political style will be postponed indefinitely."

Some truth, I suppose, but it a long way from Jan to Nov...

ddt – January 23, 2008 12:37PM Reply Quote
but i thought republicans and conservatives were opposed to moral relativism? you know, where one's morality was considered only better or worse than someone else's sins. so lies aren't a problem, since someone else fiddled with the truth (note: i am not defending clinton in that -- he did a bad thing there.)

of course, republicans were all over impeaching clinton for that.


El Jeffe – January 23, 2008 12:51PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Uh, no way Republicans will win the 2008 election. 2012, sure thing.

What a journey.

rino – January 27, 2008 12:52AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Obama Wins South Carolina Primary

Can't watch this -- too late:

Mokers (Moderator) – January 27, 2008 11:18AM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin

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