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ghidorah's Avatar Picture ghidorah – January 07, 2008 11:55PM Reply Quote
his tongue went click click click as his head hit the basket after the guillotine's blade had sliced it cleanly. for a few seconds his eyes blinked and a reddening of the cheeks was noted by the attending physician. the crowd howled in glee...

oh, i'm sorry, wrong topic. click click click is for camera/photo/digital photo discussions which seem to have a place in our hearts.

Originally started by Baha at the old site, I thought it was time we brought it to the new boards

Dr Phred (Moderator) – February 09, 2008 01:24PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
hmm, think it got in there twice. Hiccup.
Fixed now, you spammer.

tomierna (Admin) – February 09, 2008 01:36PM Reply Quote
Hideously Unnatural
Yeah, I have duplicate message detection turned on. That's probably why messages are sporadically being marked as spam.

Also, I've removed the hurdle which would flag as spam messages posted too close together in time.

It has nothing to do with your status.

rino – February 09, 2008 01:45PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
I slowly recalled the special lenses. Not interested really. Seems a shame to split kit that way, film days you bought entry level body and great lenses, you could upgrade to pro body and keep lenses...

I did finally buy an L series lens. It's nice but heavy (28-70mm).

Likewise avid reader of dpreview and others. But even though I have a BFA and MFA in photography I never was such a gear head.

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bahamut – February 09, 2008 02:29PM Reply Quote
yes, i agree there are problems with the split, but that's marketing.

it got in there twice, i thought because it said my message was spam so i reposted it.

i have the 28-70 lens. it is a nice gem, but it doesn't go wide enough on the crop sensor for me, so i also have the 17-40 which isn't as fast but is still good.

but for publication quality work (e.g. art quality books), 95% of the time, it's work from the contax g2. canon 5d just doesn't cut it. you can show me all the figures you want and i will agree that it doesn't make sense, but all i can say is

1) even they show grain, the scans from my nikon scanner are bigger and therefore easier to work with.

2) the colors are just better even though they are not all that like what the velvia originally recorded.

3) the contax is just a damn better camera as far as the lenses go.

4) maybe because it is so much easier to shoot with, i wind up making better images?

Maybe I should invest in some fixed glass for my eos. sometimes i think that's what i need. i have a 50 and it's nice, but it's not L and I can feel the cheap-ass qualicty.


is interesting to me.

but you know, i bitch about this shit, but i'll be the first to admit that we're in the golden age of photography now.

will there be a better one?

doubtless and i'm very much looking forward to it. i think it'll happen in about five-ten years when the dslr market is largely played out (what I said above holds true for current cameras... we're pretty close to the limit with what dslrs are going to do or what compact cameras can do...and we're beginning to see the effects of physical constraints in our shots) and systems like four-thirds and digital rangefinders become the only means by which camera makers can sell more kit (marketing: built for digital, small and light, not like the dslrs).

again, for anyone who doesn't have it, the dmc-lx2 is a phenomenal little machine... frankly rino, i'd think about getting one of those next if you don't have a walkabout you are happy with. it's such a great thing to have a publication-quality, RAW-format, leica-lensed machine in your pocket. it'll make you happy about photography again. and there's definitely never been anything like it before. well, ok, the kodak retina series was close. if my mom's old retina had a meter, i'd use it.

now, if only the dmc-lx2 could save its images faster...please god though, no more megapixels.

bahamut – February 09, 2008 02:37PM Reply Quote
a good set of discussions (pro and con) on the topic of FF vs crop.


i didn't know all this, especially that moore's law works against you my friend (well, and me... farnkly i'd love to have the full-frame sensor in a smaller camera... the eos 5d is a monster :( )

one thing i love about the new forums is that i can type lowercase 'i's' at the start of lines. lazy pinke.

rino – February 09, 2008 06:47PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Bummer for me is the 24mm is 38 which is a nice focal length but... not wide any longer.

Since I'm never billing and no longer making work in any other vein to sell I went with a Sigma 24mm f1.8 EX DG Aspherical Macro with my 10D back when:

It's got great bokah ... I really like this lens but need to send mine in for repair, first shot is always underexposed. Weird.

I love my Canon L 28-70, 112mm at the longest is not bad. I have been thinking of a different all purpose zoom though.

Then there's this Sigma EX 14mm:
They make decent lenses, a bit better than normal Canon lenses IMO.

Then the Canon prime 14mm L:

I'd really like that one but at 2k it's a monster expense.


So yeah, I knew manufacturer's have approached the point of diminishing returns with pixel count. The Foveon (or what's it called) didn't really pan out. What's next or to quote Peggy Lee, "Is that all there is...?"

bahamut – February 10, 2008 12:07AM Reply Quote
Here's another problem with the APS-C crop. I wonder about lenses on the wide, like that 14. Nice, to be sure, but my gut says it's going to have a lot of distortion compared to an equivalent 22 and just because you have a crop... Well, I wonder if that is the way to go...

El Jeffe – February 18, 2008 09:20AM Reply Quote
What a journey.

Madaracs – February 20, 2008 10:15PM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!

There are my photos. The best ones anyway. I'm not much of a photographer but I was able to get a few good ones in.
The first couple are of Orion. He never gets old to me. I accidentally hit the button before I was ready once and the moon and stars sorta scooted around in one. I left it in because I thought it was neat.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/20/2008 10:16PM by Madaracs.

Madaracs – February 21, 2008 09:05AM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
And 2002s: Which are not as good.

rino – March 19, 2008 07:16AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Nice idea but the market this is aimed at probably won't get it... 3mp?!

stan adams – March 19, 2008 10:50AM Reply Quote
Sounds like this is a 5MP update of an earlier 3MP unit -- Japanese consumers pretty much universally "get" retro, especially at ¥41,000, roughly half of what Canon 30D goes for...

ghidorah – March 19, 2008 11:04AM Reply Quote
Raise taxes on cavemen. --jw
too tiny-- now if it were an apc sized sensor we'd be talking. But the beauty of medium format was the huge viewfinder and large negative neither of which are easily (read cheaply) translated into digital hardware.

rino – March 19, 2008 12:13PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
I read on, you get a "5MP" file out of a 3MP CMOS.


rino – March 19, 2008 12:54PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
So I have this new Olympus Stylus 770.

I've not been overly impressed with their image processing their camera's do ... but I wanted this one for the ability to go 33ft underwater without a case. Nothing else does this. Considering my other small camera with underwater case now has some faulty parts this was a no brainer.

So far I like it and will take it to the US Virgin Islands in April... will report back.

Why am I posting? I just bought two 2gb xD memory cards at B&H using the banner link above. :)

ghidorah – March 29, 2008 01:47AM Reply Quote
Raise taxes on cavemen. --jw
Aperture now has plugins

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rino – March 29, 2008 08:14AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Downloaded it... nice.

They ship it with a new Dodge and Burn tool via a plug-in. You choose an image and go to the Images: Edit With menu to choose the plug-in. Aperture then "prepares" it for editing. In this case I understand it to make a tiff file which you perform edits on and save back as a derivative of the master.

The interface is OK.
It opens in a new Aperture MODAL window with a window bar and the close/min/fake-max button set, and at the bottom are controls belonging to the application, probably not the plug-in: zoom slider, cancel, and save buttons.

It really irks me that you don't get tooltips for any tool buttons in this plug-in editor window.
One button is a brush shape, one an eraser, and one is a feather.
Sure, the brush makes sense, the eraser seems to remove the edit you made, and the feather seems to fade the edits.

There are slider controls for brush size, softness, and strength. I really like the interactive brush resizing animation when you slide that control. Very helpful. When you resize a "brush" the cursor brush circle enlarges or shrinks to show you the size as you move the slider, nice touch.

There's a drop down chiclet menuette with the familiar gear icon (iTunes, Finder, Aperture, etc...), which in OSX parlay tends to mean action. In Aperture, for this Apple supplied plug-in you get Options and Actions. Zoom to Actual Size, Show Burn, Show Burn as Overlay, Show Master Image, Reset Burn (action!), Reset all Changes.


This is a big deal. We'll start to see some of the Photoshop plug-ins for Aperture that currently function in Photoshop in a similar manner. Editing within a modal dialog and a third party set of functions.

Here's a web site tracking plug-ins.

I'm pretty happy about this.

ghidorah – March 29, 2008 10:33AM Reply Quote
Raise taxes on cavemen. --jw
yeah, I agree this is an exciting development. I had been waffling about what image software to begin using now that I have a digital camera to play with and the availability of editing plugins for Aperture makes this a no-brainer.

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