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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:37AM Reply Quote
Talk about industry stock market mumbo-jumbo here.

Mighty Mouse – January 15, 2008 04:54PM Reply Quote
Doh!

rino – January 15, 2008 08:24PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Bleeding anus, the markets are ...

Cloudscout – January 16, 2008 04:35PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Well, AAPL is down 20% since the beginning of the year.

Deep hurting.

rino – January 16, 2008 08:38PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
It is about twice as much as the Nasdaq -- some money managers are reducing exposure to AAPL not due to bad forward outlook but mostly because the stock has had such a run up and at 190 it was kind of at a peak in their view.

When money managers sell the stock goes lower then individuals start selling because they might have stop limit orders auto-triggered and thus it spirals.

That and the general market malaise caused this little storm. But AAPL has always had mood swings like this.
Doesn't make me feel any better about the paper losses in gross profit (I'm still way ahead with this stock).

As recently as 2006 there was a volatile drop from 85.59 down to 59.66.
Where it stops who knows.



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Mighty Mouse – January 16, 2008 10:37PM Reply Quote
I thought there would be some resistance at $160, but it doesn't appear so. I think if we'd stop getting the bad news, it would start to climb again.

Two upcoming events should kick up a bit: The earnings report on the 22nd and a rate cut (which is supposed to happen by the end of the month). On the earnings, it's not going to matter how well the last quarter was. It will hinge on the guidance for next quarter. If Apple says it will be flat or soft, stock tumbles. If it'll be good, the stock should see an uptick. That also depends on the general market at the time, of course.

Actually, this is happening because I'm wanting to sell some. This always happens when I get ready to sell. >:-/

rino – January 16, 2008 11:25PM Reply Quote
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Actually, this is happening because I'm wanting to sell some. This always happens when I get ready to sell. >:-/


Yep.

John Willoughby – January 17, 2008 12:33AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
I sold some before the keynote. I think Apple's going to have a lot of announcements in the year ahead, so the stock may come back up a bit over time.

rino – January 17, 2008 07:22AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
I'm considering buying a few more shares... although I'm uncertain the stock will see the same growth we've seen the past few years, in this case I'm with the money managers.

Madaracs – January 17, 2008 10:38AM Reply Quote
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Mighty Mouse

Actually, this is happening because I'm wanting to sell some. This always happens when I get ready to sell. >:-/

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Cloudscout – January 17, 2008 11:37AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Wasn't Apple's original target to sell 10 million iPhones in the first year? Steve just announced that they have sold 4 million so far and that they're selling 20,000 per day. If you project that run rate forward to June 29th, they're only on track to sell 7.3 million phones by then. Is AAPL going to take another hit or is Steve going to pull a rabbit out of his hat before then? Another price drop, maybe? I suppose if they can get Exchange support or 3G support sometime soon, they might get another healthy wave of buyers but... hrm.

johnny k – January 17, 2008 11:41AM Reply Quote
Well, at this stage, sales are still accelerating. And don't forget that Europe service came online more recently, so they're selling more than 20,000 a day (wow, that's a lot) now. And there will be more countries added.

Mighty Mouse – January 17, 2008 12:20PM Reply Quote
I also thought Steve said 10 million by the end of 2008. Need to back and look that up.

Cloudscout – January 17, 2008 12:22PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Ahh, you're right. 10 million in 18 months according to USA Today. In that case, they'll easily beat the target.

bahamut – January 18, 2008 12:55AM Reply Quote
When you can install apps on the phone it will help sales. It's not like a Treo. The apps for it already have a massive wow factor. I showed some of my friends the latest app and they IMMEDIATELY jailbroke their phones.

You can tell me all you want that this is stupid. My friends (who are NOT geeks at all) thought it was unbelievable and jailbroke their phones (navizon also impressed them and it is much more accurate than google maps...then there is listen which submits sound samples to a music recognition server...).

And yes, it is utterly, totally, and completely useless.

http://www.dailymotion.com/cluster/tech/video/x4189t_iphone-app-crossy_tech

Cloudscout – January 22, 2008 10:37PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Apple posts its best quarter ever but gives unpleasant guidance for the next quarter. The result? They're down over 11% in after-hours trading. $137. Ouch.

I'm reading a sad-but-accurate description of what's making investors unhappy:

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The customer is not getting what they want from Apple, especially when it comes to the iPhone, he said. "The customer is saying I want voice dialing and Steve Jobs goes and delivers applications with data dancing icons," he said. "There's a disconnect between what customers want and what they're getting."

Throw in the lack of Exchange support and I'll add my own "amen" to that one.

Cloudscout – January 22, 2008 11:11PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
The more I think about this, the more it drives me nuts. Seriously. What will it take for Steve to wake up? Apple has lost 1/3 of its value in 3 1/2 weeks.

Mighty Mouse – January 22, 2008 11:26PM Reply Quote
Um, ok.

This is the first I've heard of the voice-dialing complaint. My experience with voice dialing has been less than stellar. Whatever floats your boat.

But, come on. The iPhone is still selling very well. Failed strategies?? Based on what? I just read another article that talked about how Motorola was loosing sales to the iPhone. Failed strategy? The iPhone?? That's a reach. What about the surveys showing 81% of iPhone customers were satisfied, the next closest phone sitting in the 50s? This guy is a hack. Get back to me in the April/May time frame after the SDK has been out and we'll talk failed strategies.

And Steve himself said the Apple TV 1.0 didn't cut it, and it's WAY too early to tell if version 2.0 will be the answer or not.

No, the reason the stock tanked is simple, if highly illogical (as is the stock market): Apple is a lot of people's "Best" stock, but the investors have created a near prefect storm of "the economy sucks!!!! ZOMG!!!" and ANY thing that can remotely be considered negative news is causing people to go into wholesale panic. Apple ALWAYS guides conservatively, under Wall Street's forecast, then the predictions come up near earnings call, still higher than Apple's forecast, and the actual results beat both. Lather, rinse, repeat. It's been that way for years now.

Many analysts are talking about how the beating is unwarranted, and how Apple is probably best suited to whether out a downturn in the economy.

Wall Street is populated by emotional, knee-jerk, boobs. There is no rationale or logic. And if they're not careful, their doom and gloom will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

John Willoughby – January 22, 2008 11:28PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
>Apple has lost 1/3 of its value in 3 1/2 weeks.

Which is probably the folks counting on a 3G iPhone, iTablet, and an anti-gravity announcement at MacWorld. The run up that far was irrational and bound to be corrected at some point. With the economy imploding, the timing is right.

I sold some AAPL the Friday before MacWorld. I wish I'd sold a little more.



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Cloudscout – January 23, 2008 12:46AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Sure, some of it is irrational panic.

But if they had Exchange support in the iPhone from the beginning, they would have sold a LOT more.

And voice dial is a big deal... especially as states pass more laws regarding hands-free operation of cellphones in the car.

Sure, not talking on the phone while you drive is the safest way to do things, there is a middle-ground that involves voice activation.

My experience with voice dialing has recently become very, very good. My Treo has excellent voice command capabilities. Hell, beyond just dialing, I can tap the button on my bluetooth headset and say, "what's my next appointment?" and it will read off the next item on my calendar. No amount of UI polish or fancy touch-screen gestures will ever match a good voice interface for simple tasks like that.

John Willoughby – January 23, 2008 01:16AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
>But if they had Exchange support in the iPhone from the beginning, they would have sold a LOT more.

And if they'd had HALO 3, they'd have sold even more. I'm sure that Exchange support is coming, but the target market for the iPhone is not the tethered-to-work crowd. Trying to out-Blackberry a Blackberry isn't what Apple is about.

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