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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:37AM Reply Quote
Talk about industry stock market mumbo-jumbo here.

Cloudscout – January 04, 2008 04:26PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
This morning, my dad decided to sell off all of his Coca-Cola stocks (which were up) in order to prepare for a big AAPL purchase this afternoon since he figured it was going to keep going down all day and he'd be able to get them really cheap. Looks like it was a wise plan.

bahamut – January 05, 2008 12:43AM Reply Quote
interesting position. http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2008/01/rip_drm

you know what? i'll say it first. i hate itunes. its interface sucks. its means of handling libraries sucks. so if i don't need it to handle the DRM, maybe i can find a better interface. what if someone comes up with something better?

no really. why not?

rino – January 05, 2008 10:17AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Feh, disagree again B -- iTunes is perfectly fine for my needs. It's quick with my 20k songs, playlists are great, and I don't find myself needing much more. The UI sucks? Not by a long shot -- it just works. Maybe you've got feature creepitis but The User Group does not.

Libraries? You need more than one??

I find it funny all the prognostication on DRM free music.

How much DRM'd music is sold digitally vs. CDs?

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El Jeffe – January 05, 2008 10:22AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I have learned to hobble around in iTunes. I think the UI is not that good, and the setting and ways one goes about stuff is very pieced together.
But, it'll have to do.

What a journey.

rino – January 05, 2008 10:33AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
OK -- maayybe for some of the advanced stuff, maybe. But for maintaining playlists, podcasts, and the stuff my wife and kids do -- it works. Import album, works. Sync, works. Backup to Disc, I've not used.

I don't understand why Warner feels the need to "counter Apple's iTunes music store" -- in what other industry do vendors discourage the sell of their product? Are they really all that hamstrung by Apple owning the space?

That said, competition will be good. I've already bought a few mp3 albums from Amazon -- I'd rather use the iTunes store but what the hey... it's not all that painful.

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Mokers (Moderator) – January 05, 2008 10:34AM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
Oh, I love iTunes. Smart playlists are great and handles multiple devices very well. It should have plug-ins for more devices, but I think it does a good job. Admittedly, haven't used an alternative for Music in four years. But I have seen other people who fuck around Real or the Yahoo Jukebox. To me it didn't look like the grass was greener.

El Jeffe – January 05, 2008 11:04AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I need to keep a list of tasks/things that I either am ignorant on how to do, or iTunes can't do it, or they make it so hard that who cares IF it can do it if the average user (let alone a programmer such as me) can't figure it out.

Podcasts synced to an iPod do not go to next 'track'. That's what I WANT. If you put them in a playlist, they DO. ME NO LIKE DAT.

iTunes has no way I can find to automatically FIT my stuff to iPods that are smaller than what I want to fit onto them.

I cannot figure out how to automatically rate podcasts. That is, I KNOW BEFOREHAND that I want all of my SpanishPod podcasts to be FOUR STARS. I rate at the podcast(folder) level and it marks all contained eps as FOUR STARS. But succeeding ones added later are NON RANKED. How to do THAT?

Off the top of my head, Remy, you mention smart playlists, I have some podcasts (spanishpod) that have newbie, elementary, intermediate, que pasa, taco del tango titles. Each day they do a different skill-level. I do not get into the Taco Del Tango, nor do I understand the speed that the upper intermediate is given. Since I only have 1 GB to fit these and other items into, how does one do complex boolean selection in smart playlists? So, I would like PODCASTS + 3 or better stars + title contains NEWBIE - (title contains intermediate or title contains advanced).

I created a smartplay list to try and AUTO FIT, it's very convoluted (certainly my wife would NOT say "IT JUST WORKS"). I have 950 MB free, but guess what, if I set it to a size no greater than 940MB it won't fit. So I progressively lowered until 840MB seems to work. That is not IT JUST WORKS.

Furthermore, initially when I downloaded my first 300 eps batch of podcasts, I wanted to start AT THE BEGINNING of the podcast 'series'. How does one load the "All the oldest podcasts that will fit"? Or even, just the oldest...EVEN if I have listed to it on the Mac, because having started listening on the Mac does not mean that I completely listened to it to the extent that I want to move on to the next episode. So, podcast syncing has the most recent, and by numbers (5 most recent, etc.). I would like the oldest, and not some fixed number. I might want 5 of THIS podcast and 2 of THOSE. But, the setting is global, and can't be assigned to one podcast. Again, this also gets in the way of my overall "JUST FIT THE DAMNED THINGS" desire.

Okay, NOW, I have more than one portable media player. I have, as mentioned before, the Sansa e250. I have a smartplaylist that I have for the time being settled upon as being GOOD ENOUGH. It's 840MB and very complex. My Sansa is 3GB capacity PLUS the OPTION (Options are GOOD...iPod's aren't) of adding a microSD card ...so I could have 2GB + 8GB let's say. Now, I like the RULES/LOGIC of my new smart playlist. It's just that I have a little more room to stretch in my Sansa. Ideally, I want to COPY THAT SMARTPLAYLIST. Seems simple. And to all programmers out there, this is the 21st fucking century. Certain things need to be in ALL programs. Create, edit, save.... okay, that's programming 101...Now, COPY/Duplicate..might be 102...but it's pitiful not to have it in this app. I just want to duplicate/copy the freaking playlist. If I go into EDIT, there is no SAVE AS, which would be another way of doing it. STUUUUUUUUUUPID. All apps also need to be multi-user aware. So, I can have my wife's account permitted to use/edit/orwhatever my stuff.

Okay, those are just off the top of my head. Each and everytime that I use iTunes, I bitch about something. (else)

What a journey.

rino – January 05, 2008 01:30PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
I can't figure out how to get my iPod to make cheese.

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El Jeffe – January 05, 2008 01:35PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
it's good to have goals

What a journey.

John Willoughby – January 05, 2008 02:33PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
It's better to have cheese.

rino – January 05, 2008 03:36PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
I do want to be able and make individualized behavior for certain podcasts ... right now it's all or nothing with the settings. Sometimes I want the most recent unplayed for one podcast, but all episodes of another.
Instead what I did is put all the Radiohead podcasts into a playlist and sync'd it up.

That wasn't a goal, it was a desire.

bahamut – January 05, 2008 11:44PM Reply Quote
Feature creepitis is indeed a major problem for iTunes. I want all the useless junk gone. I want something that will do its job, not dump dupes everywhere and put the itunes store in my face all the time. Judging from what my friends say, i would be far from the only one.

rino – January 06, 2008 10:14AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
What iTunes store in your face?

El Jeffe – January 06, 2008 10:36AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
baha - as for dupes, I use iDupe. Not the best solution (it SHOULD be built-in, bullet-proof!!!!!), it is slow-ish, multi-step, but I've learned to use it and almost like it. It might be $8 or so. It's one of the few shareware's I have used enough to pay for.

What a journey.

bahamut – January 06, 2008 01:12PM Reply Quote
I guess I have the iTunes store turned on and I wind up getting stuck in it way more than I'd like.

I'll load up idupe, but YES it should be bullet-proof and built-in.

Sadly iTunes doesn't really deal with the realities of a multi-computer, laptop oriented household well at all.

My wife has an MP, I have a MBP. We'd both like to have small 4-8gb libraries on our machines that we could sync back and forth to a main 220gb library on our home server which also streams to the stereo. That isn't easy. Moreover there is no way to make playlists from the home server for either of the mobile machines. So for example, the Xmas music should be on the home server (god knows, I don't want it on my laptop), but on Xmas with the Rat Pack and so on, there are some cringeworthy songs. But if I play from the server library on my laptop, I can't create a playlist. Why? Because iTunes loves you!

I sense that Apple realizes how broken this is and is trying to address it by including most of Remote Desktop in Leopard. But that's an annoying solution and still doesn't explain how to deal with the syncs.

I'd love to be able to share audio back and forth more easily too. For example, it'd be great to say to wife: here listen to this podcast and zip it to her library, but that's not quite so easy now (I'd have to email her).

And then there's the biggest pet peeve. You can't drag and drop a folder of music to iTunes and have it import it. WTF? Isn't that obvious? Oh yes, I forgot, Steve doesn't believe in drag and drop anymore.

Someone said it before, iTunes suffers from feature creepitis. It certainly does, and doesn't pay enough attention to basic UX issues.

El Jeffe – January 06, 2008 01:40PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I agree. iTunes needs to be better equipped to deal with multi-users - or solo users with multi comps.
iSync+.Mac can sync bookmarks/etc., it sounds like they need to allow playlists (the meta-data that is the play list, not the actual songs) to be synced with .Mac?

What a journey.

bahamut – January 06, 2008 05:17PM Reply Quote
iPhoto also has this problem. My wife wants some pictures of the kids on her laptop, but not the full 40gb worth. Ditto for me. Obviously, keep them on a server, but how then to sync the camera? It's a bear of a problem and it's not at all out of ordinary usage. There should be some kind of provision for this...

El Jeffe – January 06, 2008 05:38PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Yep. You and me are on the same wavelength with this stuff. I guess no one in Apple is married or wants to share stuff with people.

Since I posted, I thought it would be nice to have SPACES that are shared across people. I just went through (with my wife) setting up Quicken on a new Mac, for 2008 finances. Well, it would be great if I could just have a QUICKEN or FINANCES space(s) that can be served/shared from a server. Then, once the user authenticated to their account (aka LOGGED IN), they could additionally log in to the QUICKEN SPACE and voila! ...see the same desktop/apps/data that ANY OTHER user (given access/permissions) would see.

I know...dreamer!!!!

What a journey.

rino – January 06, 2008 07:56PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
I think they are attempting to address it with shared sources. Doesn't mean you can take it with you but you can stream music/podcasts/videos/photos between any computer on the LAN.

Wasn't the brilliance in the solution NOT trying to do it all? KISS.

I learned simply that my library is my library and if I gain music on a laptop then it needs to be ripped or copied over to the main library. I neither choose nor desire to have it be more complicated than that.

The Find Duplicates command works for me, although since when does iTunes make duplicates of things? I don't have that trouble, more often I add a compilation or a greatest hits album that duplicates tracks from an original recording.

Oh Bill you are dreaming!
Here's my greatest wish -- save my state. Why the Frak do I need to relaunch everything? Safari still doesn't have a save state which is the most basic of great features in FF.

tliet – January 06, 2008 09:07PM Reply Quote

Here's my greatest wish -- save my state. Why the Frak do I need to relaunch everything?

The Lisa I used to own 15 years ago did that, 1983 technology.

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