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bahamut's Avatar Picture bahamut – November 15, 2008 09:46AM Reply Quote
a thread about our spawn.

bahamut – November 15, 2008 09:58AM Reply Quote
naturally my spawn, igor, a 3 year old boy and tasmania, a 5 year old girl love their computer. they spend a lot of time on noggin and pbs kids. it's nice to see them enjoy the sites, but i'm wondering if there is "educational" software out there that's any good. i checked out some of it at the apple store, stuff like the grinch... it was sure fun to see the dr. seuss stories come to life, but it looked less entertaining, if anything, than the web sites but $40. i bought them some winnie the pooh programs from disney and sure enough, the mouse included macromedia director files that needed major hauling to run in os x. for this i paid $20?

somehow the idea of actually purchasing the software makes sense but i haven't found anything out there. any of you?

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Dr Phred (Moderator) – November 15, 2008 01:20PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
Software keiv has updated some of the living books titles for os x. My kids loved those.

But the educational software world is mostly a waste land of very old titles. Most stuff is on-line these days.

johnny k – November 15, 2008 02:59PM Reply Quote
Never too early to learn programming and creative tools: http://scratch.mit.edu/

ddt – November 15, 2008 03:13PM Reply Quote
oh. thought from the title that this thread was about me.

scratch looks cool! downloading it now. there's a computing requirement for this academic program i'm interested in; hope this'll help me along.


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Jeff Cooper – November 15, 2008 04:31PM Reply Quote
As someone who has tracked the kids' software market for about four years (roughly since Noah turned three), I'd echo Dr. Phred's answer. With so much available online, I think the market for purchasable software has just about died. Noah's moved on to Lego Star Wars by now, but we're still looking for stuff for Samantha (who spends her computer time on the Noggin site these days, or playing Dora's Animal Adventure, which is now about four years old). There's a Sesame Street package that's not that different from what's on the Sesame Street website; the Apple Store has some matching game installed on its kids' iMacs that is mildly amusing but very limited, and there's some software involving a mouse that we've never tried (I think bought one of the titles for Noah a couple of years ago but never bothered to install it).

Getting stuff for Noah was always a little tricky anyway, because he was a precocious reader (a characteristic of Asperger's) but was behind in most of his other skills. Nothing ever seemed pitched quite right.

John Willoughby – November 15, 2008 07:57PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
My five-year-old plays Spore obsessively; we've had to limit her access. The nine-year-old plays Warcraft. They're learning stuff; I'm not sure how educational knowing how to find your way on a map or killing things is.

ARL (Moderator) – November 15, 2008 08:12PM Reply Quote
I will feel very old when/if my kid ever kicks my ass at wow.

Great idea for a thread though...

rino – November 15, 2008 11:02PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
We still don't have a console. I have bought Redline, Cars, Gish (great fun little game), and some other small stuff. My 8yr old would sit at computer all day playing and watching YouTube lego stuff. He also plays so creatively offline but we still have to manage his computer time. 10yr old girl is not so partial and could take it or leave it... I want to buy a console but the Wii seems like it'd get old quick, XBox--yeah like I'm going to pay to play online (are you fucking nuts?), the PS3 looks great, free online play, but frankly it's the slow guy in terms of sales and uptake but it does have blu-ray!

I looked a few years ago for math and reading games -- same old stuff rehashed. Multimedia titles dried up by 2000 mostly which most of the "learning" type things were, instead of real ground up games.
I'm hoping with game engines like Unity and the other ones something creative comes up... hmmm.

tliet – November 16, 2008 02:41AM Reply Quote
For the child of my ex I started to buy all the Mac OS 9 titles I could get my hands on a few years back when she was 4, they were doing around 5 Euro per title. I ripped all the CDs to disk images and bought a gumdrop iMac for her. Applescript to mount all images and a Launcher window to display the titles. The best 100 Euro I've spent in a long time.

The image collection is going around in our circle of friends these days as the games are now very old and I don't think the publishers are in business any more. It's so cheap to find a Mac OS 9 capable computer now and for this age group it's perfect.

bahamut – November 16, 2008 09:04PM Reply Quote
nice tliet. there's a gumdrop imac around.
i should do what you did. maybe even get that collection.

it's sad that edu software is such ass, but kind of relieving to know that i'm not completely out of the loop.

ARL (Moderator) – November 17, 2008 12:07AM Reply Quote
Um, what are good games/activities etc for kids aged 0-1?

I've noticed my daughter has started to develop a new state of conciousness where she's not asleep/sleepy or screaming/feeding, but awake and alert and staring at me expectantly.

It's very offputting.

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John Willoughby – November 17, 2008 12:26AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
They are absorbing your brain at this stage. Literally. Pulling data from your neural net to theirs. It's very odd. But it always made me feel closer to my kids.

stan adams – November 17, 2008 12:27AM Reply Quote
stare back, you would not want her to learn to smile or anything...


Have you got one of those mobiles with the high contrast stuff on it? If not you could always draw all over your face with shoe polish. That would be a fun game.



ARL (Moderator) – November 17, 2008 01:13AM Reply Quote
>If not you could always draw all over your face with shoe polish. That would be a fun game.

Um, thanks for that Stan.

tliet – November 17, 2008 03:54AM Reply Quote
The Richard Scarry games are brilliant, and apparently some of them are still available at very low prices.


Baha, if you want your children to learn Dutch, I'd be more than happy to send you a copy ;-)

edit; this query at Amazon will yield a whole lot of software at quite low prices for Mac OS 9.


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ARL (Moderator) – November 17, 2008 04:35AM Reply Quote
Aw, crap - my machines don't run classic any more.

[Edit] yay - found an old copy...

tliet – November 17, 2008 10:23AM Reply Quote
Tony, but a gumdrop iMac should be had for under 50 A$ right?

rino – November 17, 2008 11:19AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Dutch? Chinese, Spanish, or Hindi ... definitely.


Don't we just need to teach them to run and gun though? Plenty of titles for that.

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Jeff Cooper – November 17, 2008 02:01PM Reply Quote

Seriously. The mobile. Also one of these:

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