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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:34AM Reply Quote
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Cloudscout – March 20, 2008 08:25PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Did you ask him if his logic regarding fewer users meaning fewer attacks might also account for Vista's perceived security? ;)

Seriously, the only way Microsoft can get businesses to switch is by simply refusing to sell them Windows XP anymore. The crap you have to deal with regarding activation/licensing makes it literally impossible for us to use it. The last thing we can possibly have happen is a cash register freeze up while customers are standing in line because it can't contact the licensing server to validate itself.

If Microsoft can't convince their retail customers to start using WEPOS, they're going to start losing a lot of business to ORPOS on Linux.

Bruce Robertson – March 20, 2008 09:29PM Reply Quote
Did you ask him if his logic regarding fewer users meaning fewer attacks might also account for Vista's perceived security? ;)

Oooh, I'll have to try that. He was using an iPhone; and says he has a Mac at home so he is familiar with Mac.

Another person there was a Boeing person responsible for their online maintenance manuals (HP-UX and Tomcat). Says he has a work-supplied monster Dell laptop; but what he brought with him was his personal Macbook Pro which he runs Parallels on for Windows work compatibility.



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stan adams – March 21, 2008 11:13AM Reply Quote
I am feeling like such a "grumpy old man" right now. I just suffered through a 3 hr "recap" by Gartner of "areas in which the organization's IT infrasturcture could be optimized". The cheery, polite, YOUNG, Gartner analysts have summarized data that WE have given them. They respond to every question with "Great Point". They repeatedly say "this phase of the analysis is not to assign value to alternatives" and then go on to suggest that there ARE different ways to organize shit. NO DUH!!!!

Anyhow, they are getting tens of thousands of dollars to do this, not hundreds, so I am not really THAT ANGRY, but it sort of frosts my ass that for these noobs to get paid there has to be assumption on the part of SOMEBODY that it is useful to pay a bunch of kids with access to a database for opinions/conclusions that a staff of experienced people have already come to: it costs MORE money to CHANGE things than OUR CUSTOMERS are willing to spend...

Oh, why is this in the MSFT thread? Because despite my skills/orientation MOST of the organization relies too much on MSFT. BUT because significant portions of the organization have been BURNED by MSFT the majority of servers run Win2000 -- they've deliberately been foot draggers and for the most part have been successful. The strategy is to try and skip 2003 to the greatest extent possible and deploy Server2008 when 2000 becomes too creaky and 2008 is on Sp1 or greater. (no surprise given that the organization is supposed to be "risk averse"..) As we are fully committed to VMWare and have been successful in cramming LOTS of servers into virtualization this seems like a decent plan. The bozos from Gartner "without value judgement" rate us "far more mature than average" in VM adoption but "not as far along as would be expected for an organization" in 2003 adoption. UH THAT'S BECOMES WE'VE SPENT TIME WHERE THERE IS A PAY OFF, YOU TOOLS... We don't dance like puppets to MSFT's tune -- such guys DON'T GET IT. Staying "current" needlessly only helps MSFT. ARGH! The same kind of thing happened in regards to Security and other sections too. The reason we report (and have records to prove) "far fewer incidents than would be expected for an organization of similar size" is because we hang onto what works and consciously reject a great deal of newer tech when it has "screaming security hole" written all over it. Imagine that...

Finally,CS, I feel your pain. I deal with LOTS of "business area" groups that are CONSTANTLY afraid to switch platforms from Windows . You have not lived until you spend a FEW DAYS with these people trying to figure out how they put their hugely expensive software for 'internal financial projections' into production on a five year old Windows box under someone's desk. Once you finally get the right links to their vendor and figure out that GEE the vendor DOES make stuff that is 100% cross platform then you have to bang your head against the wall explaining that it is MUCH BETTER for the organization if you let the infrastructure people determine what OS (Linux) we are going to deploy the next version on. Once you get past the "oh everything we see is still the same" life gets MUCH better.

Even IBM is willing to cut the cord from its POS terminal to the older midrange machines "in the back office" that MANY retailers are tied to. This is going to seriously suck if you are an IBM sales guy used to sweet commission for selling a "closed" solution, but Linux's march is unstoppable:
http://www-03.ibm.com/products/retail/products/software/middleware/4690el.html

El Jeffe – March 21, 2008 11:17AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Yeah, I have a gaggle of McKinsey 'kids' sitting next to me. So far their suggestions .... well, I shouldn't go there. But they have been mundane. Like FOR EXAMPLE (totally illustrative and not backed by actual suggestions) ... "print everything on two sides", "Print smaller fonts"..

I kid you not.

I've done enough Gartner calls to know I wish I HAD THAT JOB.

What a journey.

stan adams – March 21, 2008 11:24AM Reply Quote
El Jeffe:

That must have been the "Green IT" package that you got from McK, right? Save a tree or two on printing, burn through a forest of money PAYING FOR McK's airfare alone!!!!

El Jeffe – March 21, 2008 11:55AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I couldn't tell if they used deodorant or not. I'll check on Monday. :)

What a journey.

Cloudscout – March 26, 2008 12:34PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
I guess the post on the MacBU blog ("Mac Mojo") claiming that all "Super Suite Deal" orders had been shipped was premature. A bunch of people haven't received theirs yet and when they call to find out what's going on, they're being told that there are still more envelopes to open and it'll be another couple of weeks.

Meanwhile, they still haven't updated their blog post so people continue to panic thinking that their stuff got lost in the mail or something.

Dr. Strangelove – April 10, 2008 03:26PM Reply Quote
Is it really not possible to simultaneously display all or part of two different worksheets of the same workbook in Excel 2004? That seems like such a basic thing that I can't imagine it's not possible, but I can't figure out a way to do it.

Robert Taylor – April 10, 2008 04:06PM Reply Quote
not to speak for every employee (hi, robert!), but judging by the reaction of MS audiences, they love that, seeing SB as fighting -- for them. more or less right?

Well, ex-employee, current contractor. I've had Bill and Steve pay me (directly or indirectly) about 10 years of my annual salary, FWIW.

But no, Steve STILL makes me cringe. A lot. Bill, not so much (except the part when Bill speaks where his hands are clasped and his shoulders are hunched... no, just stop it, Bill).

YDD – April 11, 2008 01:59PM Reply Quote
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except the part when Bill speaks where his hands are clasped and his shoulders are hunched... no, just stop it, Bill
An image of Mr Burns is appearing in my mind here....

ddt – April 17, 2008 02:05PM Reply Quote
submitted without comment, because what can i say about this?

ddt

El Jeffe – April 17, 2008 03:45PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
actually BETTER than I had expected

rino – April 17, 2008 09:43PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Now I'm almost 100% certain they find a way to slip little happy pills in the granola or morning danish at the MSFT cafeteria ... wow that's a really lame idea.
Somebody has too large a budget to spend on internal morale.

Cloudscout – April 17, 2008 10:40PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
It was done as a spoof.

Cloudscout – April 22, 2008 01:13PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
I disagree with Dilger frequently but sometimes he really gets things right (even when he spells things wrong). He takes up the "Beleaguered Microsoft" topic and raises an issue I hadn't thought of:

Microsoft itself is exacerbating the problem by trying to only hire cheap labor. The company has actively petitioned Congress for years to relax HB-1 vista immigration and has misrepresented facts in testimony about hiring foreign workers in order to drive down the wages it pays to its employees. The result has been that well qualified applicants have been hired up by key competitors, including Google.

I'm sure he means "H-1B Visa" instead of "HB-1 vista" in that second sentence but, typos aside, the point he makes is certainly interesting.

tliet – April 24, 2008 01:16AM Reply Quote
So, after upping the RAM to 4 gigabyte, the 64 bit edition of Vista works ok I guess for browsing and light Office use. It is still a dog on this little HP pen tablet. But they really have gotten their act together on the handwriting bit. It works basically flawless.

Still. a machine that takes 3 minutes to boot is laughable.

Oh, and even with practically flawless handwriting recognition, typing is faster.



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tliet – May 14, 2008 03:31PM Reply Quote

Dr Phred (Moderator) – May 15, 2008 11:42AM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
someday.

ARL (Moderator) – June 30, 2008 12:17AM Reply Quote
Save XP!

Some people aren't going to like this "forced march"...

Simon – June 30, 2008 01:26AM Reply Quote
Vista really isn't as bed as the media makes out. I've been using it everyday since November 2006 and I haven't had real issues. Apple is the darling of the media at the moment so now they gotta find someone else to bash.

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