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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:34AM Reply Quote
FUD, fear and loathing, cross-platform livin', sickness unto death, enterprise strategies and tactics.

El Jeffe – February 13, 2008 05:30AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I have years of mail in entourage with never any loss/corruption issue.

What a journey.

dharlow – February 13, 2008 05:45AM Reply Quote
I have email back to 2002 in my entourage db, but going to 2008 has corrupted my db file and their recover program just gives me an error when it tries to rebuild the db.


El Jeffe – February 13, 2008 06:41AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Oh, just with 2008. I'll wait.

What a journey.

rino – February 13, 2008 08:21AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Precisely why I use Mail -- no binary database format for store ... just files, plain files. Since we've moved to Exchange I've told many people who care about their mail storage to use Entourage with caution. All it took was one bite, when I lost my mail due to a stupid binary storage format years ago I have never used Entourage since.

Mail rocks.

El Jeffe – February 13, 2008 08:30AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I have been unable to use MAIL since upgrading to Leopard. It starts the mail download, then about 3 seconds later just hangs at 0 kbs. Then, MAIL won't quit, and I have to reboot. I created a new account on the Mac, and use that just to get mail.

What a journey.

bahamut – February 13, 2008 10:58AM Reply Quote
email has taken a big step downward since the golden days of entourage 2004. apple mail is "good enough" but not really. it needs a complete revamp, as does calendar. entourage 2008 seems like a major disappointment, especially with all its eye candy crap.

rino – February 13, 2008 11:25AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Come on... reboot?! This is OSX, you can kill damn near any process.

The only thing I'd add to Mail is tags. Mimic GMail's tagging feature and it would be excellent. Yes there is a third party thing adding tagging to Mail but I don't want some add-on to my workflow that may or may not work in the future.

What better desktop mail app is there? I can't fathom ... it's such a simple commoditized task that beyond better filing (actually not filing but tagging) that to me it's plateaued.

Then maybe it comes down to this. I used to fret over all kinds of shit computer related but do so less and less ... a. there is not time; b. it's more about being organized and taking action and not some software to rule the day. Hell, I wish a hammer would build and organize a new closet for me but it can't.

tliet – February 13, 2008 11:35AM Reply Quote
Why are people still chugging away with desktop apps? I must use Outlook for work, but for the rest I've got Gmail only, I've consolidated all e-mail accounts to point to a Gmail for my Google Apps for your domain account and it works great.

IMAP for accessing it on my Treo and for the occasional offline backup I use POP3 access.

El Jeffe – February 13, 2008 11:49AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I still think fat apps give more/ultimate control, simply put.

What a journey.

tomierna (Admin) – February 13, 2008 11:51AM Reply Quote
Hideously Unnatural
I use Mail.app exclusively, and have since I switched from Eudora shortly after I moved fulltime to Mac OS X.

It can lose it's mind sometimes, especially when the network is yanked out from under it, though this has been getting better each new release.

I wish Apple would add search highlighting ala Safari though.

Though I installed MS Office 08, I haven't tried the new Entourage.

Cloudscout – February 13, 2008 12:18PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
I've been using Mail.app almost exclusively for a while now. I occasionally dip my foot back in the Entourage waters just to remind myself why I don't use it.

I haven't received my copy of Office 2008 yet so we'll see how I feel then.

Dr Phred (Moderator) – February 13, 2008 07:19PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
I use Mail for my work e-mail, gmail and .mac mail. I've customized it with the letterbox plugin. It's been solid for me. Never lost any mail. I have entourage 2004 on here as well as I have to support a number of entourage users. They seem to have a lot of issues. I never hear from my Apple Mail users unless they forgot their password.

Simon – February 13, 2008 07:34PM Reply Quote

unless they forgot their password.
they dont use keychain?

I'm the same as Tom, I moved to apple mail from eudora once I moved to osx full time. The main benefit at the time was better HTML rendering.

John Willoughby – February 13, 2008 08:51PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
Only Mail.app for me. I need Spotlight indexed mail.

Dr Phred (Moderator) – February 14, 2008 07:15PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.

unless they forgot their password.
they dont use keychain?

since it's the same password, it doesn't help.
And some of them are not too bright. That doesn't help either.

Cloudscout – February 22, 2008 12:07AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Boy, when Microsoft said that the free upgrade to Office 2008 would ship "6 to 8 weeks after general availability," they weren't kidding. It's been 5 weeks now since Office 2008 was released and apparently nobody has received their copies yet. I wonder why they're making everyone wait so long for this. Maybe they're hoping that some of them will get impatient and just go buy a full retail version?

Cloudscout – February 28, 2008 03:23PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
In an unexpected bout of honesty, Microsoft actually told me why there was such a delay for shipping the Office 2008 upgrades. They have a backlog of over 10,000 orders to get through still (that is, they have to open up envelopes with product box tops and order forms).

A MacRumors forum poster said that when he called, he was told that they initially expected about 15,000 people to take advantage of this upgrade program. Instead, they ended up with over 80,000 orders and they were utterly unprepared for that kind of volume.

I was pleasantly surprised, however, that the 800 number I called was answered directly by an actual human being who spoke English and was able to look up my order and answer my questions without putting me on hold or transferring me to anybody else. I can't remember the last time I had an experience like that with a large corporation.

Robert Taylor – March 03, 2008 03:17PM Reply Quote

rino – March 03, 2008 03:31PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.

stan adams – March 03, 2008 04:01PM Reply Quote
Yeah i saw that too, and it occured to me that this is not even an esoteric thing like http://www.leapyearday.com/

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