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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:34AM Reply Quote
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bahamut – February 10, 2008 12:09AM Reply Quote
It's too bad there's no feasible way to do shared ical on the Mac platform (including server, disregard the marketing for it).

Jesus, all I want is a calendar both my wife and I can write to from our macs. How the hell hard is that? Oh, yeah, I know, not hard if we use google, but that's just not right.

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Cloudscout – February 10, 2008 12:43AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
I've been complaining about that for years now and I guess I didn't realize that they have made some progress.

iCal seems to support WebDAV now to enough of an extent that I can actually edit shared calendars on my Zimbra server. This is actually going to be useful now!

bahamut – February 10, 2008 08:47AM Reply Quote
It's preposterous that two family members have no way of creating a shared calendar though. No way!

rino – February 10, 2008 11:17AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Well it requires a server. Obvious, but this is the crux of the home user problem. They haven't baked this into .Mac yet?

SpanningSync does this through iCal with Google Calendar as the proxy. It's shareware and works nicely.

Has anyone tried to get Darwin Calendar Server running?

I'm so frustrated by calendaring from an institutional p.o.v. -- we put Exchange in but it does absolutely nothing for shared calendaring and front-facing event calendars. Then there's resource scheduling tied into event scheduling which is problematic in an institution. I've seen a few bolt-ons to Exchange, anyone have experience in that space?

bahamut – February 10, 2008 01:31PM Reply Quote
I shouldn't need .mac or shareware to do something that basic. Good lord, I couldn't figure out how to get iCal Server on OS X server running. Frankly, I don't think anyone could!

tliet – February 10, 2008 01:48PM Reply Quote
The only frustrating thing with Google Calendar is the fact that syncing my Treo on Windows is a PITA. I've tried different utilities, even the paid for once are usually pretty bad. Other than that, it's Google Calendar all the way.

tliet – February 11, 2008 06:41AM Reply Quote

Haha, this is rich:


Mike Nash, currently a corporate vice president for Windows product management, wrote in an e-mail, "I PERSONALLY got burnt. ... Are we seeing this from a lot of customers? ... I now have a $2,100 e-mail machine." Jim Allchin, then the co-president of Microsoft's Platforms and Services Division, wrote in another e-mail, "We really botched this. ... You guys have to do a better job with our customers."

on the Ready for Vista sticker snafu.

Mokers (Moderator) – February 11, 2008 02:42PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
Can you share calendars in outlook without exchange?

Cloudscout – February 11, 2008 02:49PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
No, you can't.

Madaracs – February 11, 2008 03:49PM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
Depends on what you mean by sharing I guess.

I used the Outlook help and typed in "share outlook"

It said there were "3-Ways to share your outlook calendar".

"You can use the Microsoft Office Outlook Calendar Sharing Service to publish and share and calendars on Microsoft Office Online with other people. You have control over who can view the calendar and who can remove the calendar at any time."

"You can share calendar information with other people by using Microsoft Office Outlook 2007 in many ways. You can choose the method that is best for you, depending on the type of servers that you and your recipients have access to; and whether you use Microsoft Exchange, POP3 (POP3: A common protocol that is used to retrieve e-mail messages from an Internet e-mail server.), or IMAP (IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol): Unlike Internet e-mail protocols such as POP3, IMAP creates folders on a server to store/organize messages for retrieval by other computers. You can read message headers only and select which messages to download.) accounts."

"You can share a one-time copy of your calendar that is not updated called Calendar Snapshots or share calendars that can be updated by publishing them to Microsoft Office Online or other Web sites that support the WebDAV protocol."

"Share calendars with other Exchange users
This feature requires you to use a Microsoft Exchange Server 2000, Exchange Server 2003, or Exchange Server 2007 account. Most home and personal accounts do not use Microsoft Exchange. For more information about Microsoft Exchange accounts and how to determine which version of Exchange your account connects to, see the links in the See Also section."

There is a lot more in the help file.

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Mokers (Moderator) – February 11, 2008 04:41PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
Not saying that Apple shouldn't be able to do it, just wondering what the expectation was elsewhere. I think that you should be able to share calendars via Rendezvous. I can see another person's music library, I should be able to see their calendar. Baha is right, it should be dead simple.

Late edit: I see you want a shared calendar. Does that mean two people can edit one calendar? That might not be so simple.

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El Jeffe – February 11, 2008 07:46PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
The whole multi-user, multi-computer, screen share, multi-cast desktop, cell-phone, wi-fi, dotMac/iSync could have a team of 100 engineers on it for freaking EVER. That's the future.

What a journey.

rino – February 11, 2008 09:31PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
SOunds like Exchange can publish a calendar (so can iCal), can send an event (ditto), and can export a calendar (ditto), and iCal has very nice printing (to pdf even).

It is odd that there isn't a Bonjour hook to share a calendar though... odd that.

John Willoughby – February 12, 2008 02:32AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
Dammit! I really liked these phones and the philosopy behind them. Now the Borg will screw it all up with WMP and Exchange, and horrible interface. Oh, well, glad I moved to the iPhone.

rino – February 12, 2008 10:27AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
BusySync and SpanningSync sort of nail the coffin lid shut right? I mean iCal is all that and the bag of chips.

bahamut – February 12, 2008 07:24PM Reply Quote
iCal should do BusySync out of the box.

It still galls me that Apple has had plenty of time to change the behavior of multi-day events. If I have an event, say a conference, that begins at 9am on Monday and concludes at 7pm on Tuesday, it should span that time on my calendar. It does not unless I make them all day events.

Steve, I see you wiping the Biffy juice off again!

Cloudscout – February 12, 2008 07:28PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
That's odd. If I create an event that begins at 9am on Monday and ends at 7pm on Tuesday, it spans that time on my calendar.


bahamut – February 12, 2008 11:20PM Reply Quote
try the monthly view.

dharlow – February 13, 2008 12:54AM Reply Quote
Hmm for all the work they did on Entourage 2008 they did not do enough to fix the database issues, my database is corrupt and when I try to rebuild it it just fails with an unexpected error. Gmail here I come.


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