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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:34AM Reply Quote
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El Jeffe – May 11, 2012 01:14PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Russia Today? (RT)

ddt – May 14, 2012 01:47PM Reply Quote
Okay, so I got up early, drove over an hour in traffic to get to Microsoft Mountain View for an all-day "devcamp" on HTML5, thinking: cool, professional development, hands-on, cross-platform, hope the few hours I spent with the O'Reilly "Head First" book doesn't leave me too far behind classmates -- and the first thing they do is tell us we need to download IE9 and this stuff (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dorischen/archive/2011/08/12/html5-webcamp-lab-setup-instruction.aspx?PageIndex=2&wa=wsignin1.0) -- all Windows-only tools.

I was agog. Which turned to almost Baha-like levels of annoyance and rage.

First hour, updates on IE9 and IE10 and their "standards" features.

Second hour, browsing through Hunger Games and Tron web sites to show off special effects. I swear, this was an update of how they pitched past efforts such as ChromeEffects, Silverlight, etc.

The IE9 "F12" function? How is that not Firebug?

So, I left.

It's one thing if they want to promote a product. That's cool. If it'd been announced as "a day of intro training to MS's new ________ tool", it'd have been fine. But what was so cheap, cheesy, and marginally evil was that they didn't, and they're trying to teach the audience that this whole platform-agnostic, open-standards thing? Gotta get to it via Windows.


porruka (Admin) – May 14, 2012 02:18PM Reply Quote
New year. Same me. Proceed accordingly.
At this point, I guess it really would be too much to expect them to change their ways... evil is too systemically embedded into the process.

ddt – May 14, 2012 02:27PM Reply Quote
And I was really startled and weirded out to feel I was one of the smarter people in the room (with developers and other technical people); so many people were just "oooh, aahhh".

And, too: nobody else flinched when the speaker (a Ph.D.!) basically defined the semantic web as "you can make up your own tags". I do not think that's what Tim Berners-Lee meant.


ddt – May 14, 2012 02:48PM Reply Quote
DPBD: And I just saw a tweet from there that the speaker was saying that Safari doesn't support the canvas element or SVG.

You can see more (and my irritated tweets) at #devcamp

It's tough, being so righteous,


John Willoughby – June 05, 2012 07:18PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support

ddt – June 05, 2012 10:12PM Reply Quote
Actual time of death: sometime in 2009.

No, actually, this seems like a smart move for them. I can't speak about their music ecosystem and installed base (... like, does either really exist?), but in that article it mentioned migrating all music and video to Xbox, tablets, Windows phones, which seems to me to really be the place MS should be pitching for music consumption. The Xbox is an established media center for a lot of homes, and how many people listen to their iTunes primarily on their iPhones?

If MS could expand on the Xbox Marketplace and make it easy to move, discover, share, and purchase music and videos, and build a great music organzing and listening experience into Windows Phones (and what they've done so far with the OS suggests they could, barring DRM-like interference from labels), this move could be a huge boost not just for Windows phones and tablets, but MS.


ARL (Moderator) – June 10, 2012 06:25PM Reply Quote


Even the plain colorful graphics in Windows 8 that looked so cool when I first saw them are starting to look ominous to me, like the hotel decor in The Shining.


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2012 06:26PM by Tony Leggett.

John Willoughby – June 10, 2012 09:31PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support

ARL (Moderator) – July 19, 2012 08:01PM Reply Quote

John Willoughby – July 19, 2012 09:46PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
Man, it took me a minute to translate my own post from June 10. I don't even get my own jokes, it seems. That would help explain why nobody else does...

ARL (Moderator) – July 20, 2012 01:04AM Reply Quote
Um, yeah. What was "TOOBER" meant to be?

John Willoughby – July 20, 2012 11:30AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
Windows 8... The Shining... REDRUM... TOOBER...

It was a logical progression for me at the time, but re-reading it cold confused me. Now I know how everybody else parses my comments.

ARL (Moderator) – July 20, 2012 06:43PM Reply Quote
Ah, "reboot" - got it.

Good thing I finally watched the shining a few weeks back...

John Willoughby – July 26, 2012 04:31PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support

ddt – July 26, 2012 09:47PM Reply Quote
How MS got introduced to IBM to make the OS deal could be a book on its own.

This passage stood out to me:

"The developer concluded that no young person would switch from AIM to MSN Messenger, which did not have the short-message feature. He spoke about the problem to his boss, a middle-aged man. The supervisor dismissed the developer’s concerns as silly. Why would young people care about putting up a few words? Anyone who wanted to tell friends what they were doing could write it on their profile page, he said. Meaning users would have to open the profile pages, one friend at a time, and search for a status message, if it was there at all."

This is a failure to understand user experience. And a structural failure not to have a user advocate in place and for management to listen.

You think that's just MS? In three job interviews in the last month, I've seen the same "I know what I want and haven't done my homework w/r/t users -- why?" attitude.


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/26/2012 09:49PM by ddt.

porruka (Admin) – July 26, 2012 10:19PM Reply Quote
New year. Same me. Proceed accordingly.
This is, ahem, textbook for almost any of the large, successful companies that have lost their way. Sure, some of the vocabulary is industry-specific, but the results and the general descriptions are the same.

Cloudscout – August 15, 2012 07:44PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Windows 8 was made available to MSDN subscribers today.

I just installed it.

Do. Not. Want. This is an abomination.

Cloudscout – August 15, 2012 08:02PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
The closest comparison I can make is Mac OS X 10.0. Remember how bad the Classic environment was? How clumsily Apple grafted the two OSes together?

Windows 8 makes that look graceful.

This is two completely separate OSes that can't quite figure out how to fit together.

This is going to be a support disaster for enterprise customers.

John Willoughby – August 15, 2012 08:21PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
That's what all the thoughtful reviews said. I've heard that it's the same on tablets; nice GUI on top, hideous old school windows a couple of layers down. Keep us posted if you keep playing with it.

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