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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:34AM Reply Quote
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Dr Phred (Moderator) – February 01, 2008 07:50AM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
damn. now I'm going to have to find a replacement for flickr.

peter – February 01, 2008 08:07AM Reply Quote
That deal, if it happens, should get Apple and Google tongue kissing.

peter – February 01, 2008 08:09AM Reply Quote

now I'm going to have to find a replacement for flickr.

photobucket's pretty good

El Jeffe – February 01, 2008 08:24AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
you look surprised, Peter. ;) [Just your icon, that is]

What a journey.

stan adams – February 01, 2008 10:35AM Reply Quote
Yahoo! (the exclamation is still part of their name, right?) is what, a desert topping? A floor wax? abio-safe line and wrinkle filler?

Does MSFT have "jumping off page"? Does it matter? Does anyone really derive revenue from such a thing?

For a company that allegedly spends an awful lot of time dreaming up tough questions to ask of potential hires it seems like they are not using much brain power on this. If I have Yahoo! stock I'd be dancing a jig, but other than that -- meh...

I think that Yahoo! has probably over invested in hundreds of areas that are completely indistinguishable from the competition, and they have DOZENS of competitors in most everything they do. I suspect that the people that run things like "Yahoo! Shopping" will run for the exits, they'll be better off at eBay or Amazon Marketplace than they will in some backwater of MSN. What sort of hell is going to happen to the coders that keep the various Yahoo! messaging and social forums creaking along when word comes down they'll have to make everything .Net?

Search? MSFT has been burning piles of cash trying to do SOMETHING to slow the march of Google. Ain't going to happen. Google is already far down the road in the "next next big thing with getting the critical mass of consumers with mobile connectivity & small local merchants that will spend their pennies with google instead of Yellow Pages, cable TV or "free advertiser newspapers".

What a waste...

Google knows where its bread is buttered, and they don't have to snuggle any closer to Apple than they already have. This is big planet and there are more reasons than ever to thing that it makes sense for Google & Apple to not get overly tied to one another. Of the dozens of things that Google has "pulled from its magic hat" none has really had the success of its core search. As I've said in other posts, look at Sun for a wonderful example of how an open-ish platform (Java) is ever so helpful to the company that birthed it. Odds are good that Android is just as helpful to Google.

Roger – February 01, 2008 11:06AM Reply Quote
What will they call it? MSYahoo? Matisyahu?

tliet – February 01, 2008 12:02PM Reply Quote

Cloudscout – February 01, 2008 12:58PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!

rino – February 01, 2008 01:12PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
I hold a little YHOO and this is a good thing.
I may have to ditch flickr too.

Check out the Google search blog -- they have some really cool multi-faceting of search results.

I agree, bit BOTH companies have been flailing.

peter – February 01, 2008 01:24PM Reply Quote
Not a serious prediction. I just liked the image. Apple and Google have good reasons to work together -- existing before MicroHoo! and no more pressing after -- and areas where they are potential competitors, which can also be of mutually-beneficial. So far, from a distance it seems like a healthy relationship. And, not that anyone serious has suggested it, but neither would benefit from a merger.

There was a time when a deal like M+Y would have been worrisome, but not now. Microsoft is very good at certain things, but cleaning up other people's messes has not been one of them. Yahoo has a big enough footprint that this acquisition is going to affect the ecosystem in the short run, but in the long run it'll probably be probably more of a distraction than a prop to MS ambitions for world domination. Think of all the energy that will have to go into dealing with the agencies of the European Union alone.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/01/2008 01:25PM by peter.

tliet – February 01, 2008 11:25PM Reply Quote
The relationship Apple and Google have these days is a perfect Web 2.0 one. Google takes advantage of certain browser capabilities that Apple builds into their OS and devices. Apple takes advantage of having Google announce these apps on or around Macworld but these apps really run on anything you can think of.

So, the object oriented world finally comes to life, mash up applications on the web and use what's available and popular.

MS buying Yahoo doesn't seem to make sense in this perspective.

bahamut – February 02, 2008 12:27AM Reply Quote
Not sure Ballmer can save Yahoo! but it makes .Mac look pretty crap-ass, no?

peter – February 04, 2008 09:06AM Reply Quote
So guys. What do you make of this and this? Is this all tactical smoke, or is G really worried?

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2008 09:07AM by peter.

El Jeffe – February 04, 2008 09:35AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I can't see how they are worried. It'll take any company at least a year or three to bring two such large companies under one control, imo.

I do think that Google can't stay atop their perch for the long run.

What a journey.

stan adams – February 04, 2008 10:51AM Reply Quote
The WSJ thing might as well be Eric's idea of a laugh riot -- why the fsck would he care what MSFT wastes its time on, Yahoo! is not really a competitor, and while many googlers may have some kinship with Yahooligans and LIKE open source software at the end of day the googlers go home to a house paid for with valuable google options while the yahoologans kick themselves fro not having the same...

Dave Drummond is Chief Legal Officer -- it is his job to think of opportunities to use the Courts to advance google's interests. I have no doubt that he is shopping for co-signatories on a DOJ memorandum that would accompany any Microhoo world -- nothing like wrapping your already plodding competitors' feet in more tanglefoot...

I turn to fsj for what I belive is the best analysis of this proposal : http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2008/02/ballmer-im-completely-out-of-ideas.html

This rings so TRUE -- the conversation cited is either one that the journalist did have with Balmer OR was related to him by someone like the REAL Steve Jobs. MSFT is old and getting older. Balmer is not stupid. He'll never have the kind of position in the global stratosphere that Gates does. He'll never even get to be like Jerry Yang, but he can use MSFT to enrich himself and defend him and the company from the inevitable fall from dominance that IS down the road. Ballmer is relatively young for a CEO -- he'll be 52 this March, that gives him almost a decade before he can shuffle of to some sweet emeritus role. Schmidt is only a year older. These guys really do want to slug it out on a personal level. Is it crazy for Ballmer to spend 10 years trying to "home grow" a respsonse to google? With the cash that MSFT has he might as well embark on a acguistion instead of a "retooling" effort to try and he might even have ways to "reduce costs" in a very old school low tech way.

The real winners in this are going to be the Venture Capital dudes -- with all the talent that will be leaving Yahoo & MSFT there are bound to be a lot of ideas that just might not suck. The odds are very good that one or two of those ideas will hurt google too. Game on...

ghidorah – February 04, 2008 12:18PM Reply Quote
Raise taxes on cavemen. --jw
Swift thinking by MS to make their move before adult supervision is restored to the FTC and DOJ.

stan adams – February 04, 2008 01:08PM Reply Quote
I dunno about that. The actions against mergers during this administration have been more than a little odd -- DirectTV/DishNetwork, XM/Sirius, WholeFoods/WildOats all spring immeadiately to mind...

Assumption can be decent short cuts, but are often proven wrong...

peter – February 04, 2008 03:29PM Reply Quote
With Google as 800 lb gorilla, the anti-trust argument looks a lot harder to make than it was in the original US vs MS case. Course I know nothing of the specifics of the settlement with the DOJ, which probably puts some additional constraints on MS. I could see the EU folks makin some trouble with this.

Cloudscout – February 07, 2008 02:45PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
12 new patches from Microsoft this month... including two patches for Office 2004 for Mac.

tliet – February 07, 2008 03:33PM Reply Quote
Hmm, just when I was about to post that it's pretty ironic that there's a beast in Vista called Windows Calendar that supports the iCalendar standard out of the box, while Outlook still doesn't have anything, it turns out that it's a read only/subscribe only support. Updating doesn't work.

Oh well, it will take 2 more years before finally someone at Microsoft realises that the NIH syndrome Really. Needs. To. Go.

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