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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 08, 2007 02:34AM Reply Quote
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Cloudscout – January 07, 2008 10:10AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
But... but... where's Stewart from the Ameritrade commercials? (aka Big Pete Wrigley from the Adventures of Pete & Pete)

ddt – January 07, 2008 11:33AM Reply Quote
hm, that started out as almost a shot-for-shot ripoff of the "final days" short for bill clinton (look it up; funny and bill and hillary both do a good job of making fun of themselves), then goes to "the office" rip-offs. nothing new about billg doing "i'm making fun of myself" videos for CES, either -- am surprised people are acting like this is a new thing. last gripe: it's easy to get real talent along when you have billions and billions. but still, not bad. i liked how the script got that ballmer cannot escape from his marketing-speak, even in a self-parody. but i liked the "da doo doo doo" VW rip-off from past years better... .

ddt

rino – January 12, 2008 10:15AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
http://www.beet.tv/2008/01/microsoft-wins.html

Wow. I hadn't paid that much attention. So all online video for Olympic games will be via Silverlight. You're installing it if you desire to partake of the insipid Olympic coverage our networks usually provide.

Cloudscout – January 14, 2008 04:18PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
My sister and I both bought copies of Office 2004 Student & Teacher Edition yesterday for $149 so we could get the free upgrade to Office 2008 Special Media Edition which is supposed to cost $499. This still seems like a serious money-losing proposition for Microsoft. Why didn't they just give people the option of pre-ordering Office 2008 for $149 or something since that's what the deal works out to be in the end. The only reason I'm even breaking the shrink-wrap on my copy of 2004 in this case is so I can send in the box top for my free copy of 2008.

Madaracs – January 14, 2008 04:32PM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
Do you need a receipt too?

El Jeffe – January 14, 2008 04:43PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Probably like gift cars, some people will not upgrade. Plus, here at IUPUI (Jeff's employer), the MS software is $5. I think that's money-losing, too! :)

What a journey.

morganti – January 14, 2008 05:48PM Reply Quote
Whaaaa??? Money loser?

Huh. Im not seein it. Is that like the "we've lost billions of dollars because of piracy" argument?

Let me be a little less inflamatory. You gave Microsoft 149 dollars. You got "Office 2008 Special Media Edition". Now, you had to get a "intermediate" copy of Office 2k4, but whatever.

Your other option was to pay the $499, which im sensing you were ummm... averse to doing? Therefore you would either not buy ANYTHING (SunOFFICE / BBEDIT / iLife) which nets Microsoft $0, or Pirating Office 2k8, which again, nets Microsoft nothing. Really, Microsoft MADE money on the deal.

Now, thats not arguing that they couldnt have made MORE if you (and others) had HAD TO pay $499, but what you had HAD TO pay $1000? Wouldnt that make them MORE MONEY! And wouldn't that then mean that they had LOST more money when they gave you the $149 deal?

Hell, maybe they should make Office 2k8 SME $10000, then they'd really be makin out...

Morg "Ok, maybe not MUCH less inflamatory... but I hope the point is extractable from the drek..." anti

stan adams – January 14, 2008 06:00PM Reply Quote
Completely -- and agree that this a brilliant ploy to a) extract cash from people that would likely not spend a dime on OFC2008 otherwise and B) {probably more important} get people LINED UP AND USING the priciest version OFC 2008 as quickly as possible.

Myself. OpenOffice is more than good enough for any personal out-of-pocket use. My employer will slap the MSFT stuff on machines that they provide me. I am pretty sure that the per seat cost is not $499...

YDD – January 14, 2008 09:57PM Reply Quote
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Your other option was to pay the $499, which im sensing you were ummm... averse to doing? Therefore you would either not buy ANYTHING (SunOFFICE / BBEDIT / iLife) which nets Microsoft $0, or Pirating Office 2k8, which again, nets Microsoft nothing
Can I just add my personal opinion that the second of those two options does net Microsoft something: a user of their software, which does enhance its value. I'm certain that their first preference is for people to buy Office. But if the choice is between them pirating Office, or installing Open Office, I'd bet Microsoft would take the former. Indeed, one could probably argue that Microsoft's dominance is at least in part due to an appreciation of this: If they're pirating our software, they're not buying our competition's



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rino – January 14, 2008 10:57PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
I use OpenOffice for my petty needs.

But then, I've started tracking my stock sells and stuff in a GoogleDoc Spreadsheet. No account numbers mind you, just numbers.

I hate having files spread over too many machines.

ARL (Moderator) – January 16, 2008 09:21PM Reply Quote

Madaracs – January 17, 2008 10:47AM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
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According to an article in The Times, the process will even alert a manager if your heart beat and facial expressions indicate you are stressed or frustrated.

Wouldn't that be everyone at work?

This seems extremely stupid. I'd love to see the riots that this causes. We're on our way to the Orwellian future folks... Prepare to share your desk with the man in the office next door. Viva Brazil!

ddt – January 31, 2008 01:00PM Reply Quote
hey science types,

do you use excel? if so, or if you use another spreadsheet app for data, how important are custom error bars? would the lack of them be a deal-breaker for you using the application?

ddt

Dr. Strangelove – January 31, 2008 02:27PM Reply Quote
I do use excel, though I do most of my data processing in Matlab these days. Define "custom error bars", please, and I'll try to answer.

ddt – January 31, 2008 02:31PM Reply Quote
hm, i just saw someone say "For any scientists out there who may be considering upgrading to Excel 2008, please be aware that Excel no longer has the ability to do custom error bars in graphs. That's right: Excel 2004 had this, but is gone now (a victim of the loss of VBA??). This makes Excel 2008 unusable for me." and asked MS about it, got a confirm.

is that any more specific?

ddt

stan adams – January 31, 2008 02:54PM Reply Quote
Graphing? Excel? Get real. Aabel, Citrin, Chartsmith, Datagraph, MATLab, SPSS, Mathematica. Just as I would guess there are some folks who frame houses without air tools or power saws there are probably some folks that try to use Excel for things that is not well suited...

I've had to deal with kids out of college that think writting C code is a good way to deal with Server Admin tasks, I know the mindset of people that get comfortable with a "solution" but for the love of all that is right on earth, don't use Excel for anything other than simple arithmetic expression. PLEASE!



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Dr. Strangelove – January 31, 2008 03:00PM Reply Quote
On one of the pages I found after searching for "custom error bars" in Excel 2004, I found: To change the method used to determine the error, select the method you want under Error amount. To change a custom error amount, click Custom. In the Plus (+) and Minus (-) boxes, specify the worksheet range to use as error amount values, or enter the values you want to use, separated by commas.

Depending on what was left in 2008, what was taken out, and what particularly is needed (a different shape for the bars, a different % error, etc), this would probably be problematic for some uses for some people.



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El Jeffe – January 31, 2008 04:05PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I built my "privacy" fence at my house, some mayb 150 feet or so, and vowed to and did use only a hammer. Man, I thought I was going to have permanent tendon damage after those few days. I then, also, built my 12x20x12h barn, and used just a hammer to roof it. I like doing that to have an appreciation for doing that. You only live once.

What a journey.

Simon – January 31, 2008 08:35PM Reply Quote
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don't use Excel for anything other than simple arithmetic expression. PLEASE!

I dont know. Excel seems like overkill for simple arithmetic. I just use the calculator widget for that.

El Jeffe – February 01, 2008 07:00AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Interesting. MS to buy Yahoo.

What a journey.

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