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Simon's Avatar Picture Simon – December 19, 2007 11:49PM Reply Quote
Yet Another Transplant Thread (credit to Brian Miller for the original) (and Robert Taylor for the 2nd edition)

So, when do you expect to see the next 21-slot G5 subnotebook with built-in antigravity? Or do you have other things to complain about regarding the Mac rum0rz press?

tliet – October 22, 2008 08:29AM Reply Quote
And that's precisely the core market of the Mac Pro.

bahamut – October 23, 2008 02:29AM Reply Quote
ddt. i will. biggest obstacle is the lack of a box for the damn thing.

simon's got a good point there. i do lots of work with photoshop and indesign and (well, trackpad squirrelly aside), i don't need anything faster than the macbook. this is going to be a challenge for l'il steven. now that he's got a thin enough machine (god compared to our old 12" ibook the macbook looks insanely thin. i wish it were less squashed, why so wide and not taller? but still) that's fast enough, i might not upgrade for a while...

the biggest hassle for me is lack of a card slot. if i could just plug in an sd adapter, i could do a lot of photo stuff on the go. without it i have to resort to cables or dongles. ugh...

johnny k – October 23, 2008 03:53AM Reply Quote
How about getting an Eye-Fi SD card? No cables or adapters. I got one for my mom because she always forgets to download images until the card is full.

ARL (Moderator) – October 23, 2008 03:34PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
From an earlier article:

Several mentioned that FireWire's disappearance meant that the new MacBooks could not be connected to other Macs using Target Disk Mode (TDM), a procedure that's often used as a last resort to retrieve files from a dead system. TDM is also used by Apple's Migration Assistant, a utility that copies files and settings from one Mac to another.

These are really important features for me. The migration assistant is a real godsend. It's kind of sad that I've got an iBook that's almost 5 years old that I was able to seamlessly copy all my apps and settings to and when I get a brand new Macbook, I can't. I used target disk mode just the other day to reformat & repartition my old iLamp (now my mother's) and restore the disc image back onto it. As far as I'm aware, you can't do that with USB.

What would be good, if I can't have the damn firewire port, is some firewire/USB adaptor, or some way to do USB target mode. A USB-based migration assistant would be great too. Or some way to do it wirelessly (though that means more $$$ a time capsule).

I can live without the firewire port if they can at least give me back some of the functionality of it.

bahamut – October 23, 2008 03:46PM Reply Quote
As far as I can tell, yes you can. You can "transfer information from a backup disk or startup disk connected to" your mac. So it takes one more step... backup your old mac to an extrenal drive then restore it using ma.

John Willoughby – October 23, 2008 05:39PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
You can use Migration Assistant over ethernet, I believe.

ARL (Moderator) – October 23, 2008 06:45PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
Ah, well that helps.

All I need now is USB target disk mode and I'll have no further complaints.

stan adams – October 29, 2008 08:15AM Reply Quote
Taking yet another page from the PowerMax playbook o' hurt:
http://www.macrumors.com/2008/10/28/psystars-mac-clone-offers-blu-ray-and-nvidia-9800gt-options/

Are these guys that unaware of the not so distant past? TSO is not a guy that readily negotiates with N E 1 , you go an poke a finger in his eye and he will crank open the cage on the man-eating legal team faster than you can "fuck you and stupid alert sound item" http://www.boingboing.net/2005/03/24/early-apple-sound-de.html

Cloudscout – October 29, 2008 10:42AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
Maybe they're banking on TSO's weakened demeanor of late.

bahamut – October 30, 2008 03:17AM Reply Quote
maybe they have backing from someone with antitrust interests and a primary interest in a settlement? i think a court might not have a very happy view of the mac os demanding hardware. seems a bit monopolist, don't you think?

Simon – October 30, 2008 04:01AM Reply Quote
I don't think you can argue that mac os demands the hardware. When you buy a mac you buy the hardware and Mac os x comes 'free'. The only boxed copy of mac os you can purchase is an upgrade version. There is no way to actually purchase a full version of the mac os independent of the hardware.

You can't even argue that the mac hardware demands mac os because it's been able to run various linux and unix flavours for a long time and now with intel it runs windows as well.

stan adams – October 30, 2008 04:40AM Reply Quote
It is not really a question of the OS 'demanding' certain HW, it is a decision that Apple has made about its business model. The way for Apple to be a profitable company is to develop, market, and support integrated solutions. Anyone that attempts to step on the "accepted uses" of Apple HW or SW is asking for a world of hurt .Any firm that tries to find an angle that would force Apple's hand should fully expect that Apple will "unleash hell" upon them...

rino – October 30, 2008 04:40AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
> There is no way to actually purchase a full version of the mac os independent of the hardware.

Pretty sure those OS X disks are full intalls that you can buy at the store, not upgrades.
In other words, one doesn't need a previous install to install. Is there some kind of license stipulation?

Cloudscout – October 30, 2008 04:47AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
I wonder if Apple might have a problem with the fact that they present Mac OS X as a separate product from the computers that it runs on. They aren't upgrade discs. They're full operating systems. The license just says that you can only use them on Apple-branded hardware.

John Willoughby – October 30, 2008 07:10AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
But Psystar is demanding that Apple be forced to license them the end-product of decades of R&D, in order for them to COMPETE with Apple.

rino – October 30, 2008 08:03AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Like that pt. JW -- plus you can buy a computer from anyone, it may run a different operating system (read: engine) but they all do basically the same thing.
Tired bark they have that pystary

Simon – October 30, 2008 04:04PM Reply Quote
I was under the impression that to install off one of those discs you need to have an existing install of mac os x. Is this something that they've changed recently? I definitely remember having difficulties like that in the past.

Bruce Robertson – October 30, 2008 04:27PM Reply Quote
Just went through this discussion on OS disks in Helping Sporkers and elsewhere. They are not upgrades and you can install and even sell if you the version you have purchased is in no way installed on anything (drive, backup, etc)

ARL (Moderator) – October 30, 2008 08:47PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
How difficult is it to get a version of OS X to run on a non-Apple PC? ("non-Apple PC," that's such an odd expression!)

They could just sell their PCs with a Mac "boot camp" and tell users they have to buy the OS X operating system separately.

They should also tell their customers this violates the user agreement and they'll get zero warranty or technical support - but that's the case already anyhow.

stan adams – October 31, 2008 05:19AM Reply Quote
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Tony Leggett
How difficult is it to get a version of OS X to run on a non-Apple PC? ("non-Apple PC," that's such an odd expression!)

They could just sell their PCs with a Mac "boot camp" and tell users they have to buy the OS X operating system separately.

They should also tell their customers this violates the user agreement and they'll get zero warranty or technical support - but that's the case already anyhow.

That is NOT what the blokes from pystar want. They have setup a joke of an online store: http://store.psystar.com/ to try and clearly violate the terms of Apple's EULA. Then they go on to make ridiculous claims about what they provide: http://store.psystar.com/faqs/#faq6

If they only were a screw driver shop selling boxen with no OS Apple would not give two toots about 'em, but by making an effort to SELL Apple's SW in a clearly verboten way they are asking for Apple to shut them down. Of course given that there is almost no margin on the base boxen that the geniuses who dreamed up the business are offering it is not like they have much to lose...

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