Apple's relationship with the press, customers, and dealers
tliet
– March 20, 2008 05:34AM
Although we don't live in the Apple is beleaguered times anymore, there's still enough to be said about them...
Transplanted once again...
The Gay Blade - 05:54pm Mar 31, 2000 EST
The Blade will attempt to transplant yet another rhetorical sapling here
on the Spork boards by copping a page from the delightful Brian Miller,
writing eloquently on the superannuated boards of yesteryear:
Brian Miller - 03:07pm Sep 30, 1999 PT
The man with a plan
My recent PowerBook G3 fiasco notwithstanding, I am beginning to wonder if
Apple is planning on abandoning "small fry customers." Consider the
evidence:
1) Apple's war with the Macintosh press;
2) Apple's slashing and burning of small local dealers, who often provided
the best service "in a pinch";
3) Apple's continued horrendous customer service breaches (individual Apple
Store orders cancelled in favour of large educaction/business orders).
Pulling all this evidence together and analysing it makes me feel far more
"worried" about Apple's future than any time under Amelio. Consider, for
instance, what all of those resources spent on lawyers threatening tiny Mac
sites could do in customer service and relations.
Before we consider Apple's "invasion" into the Fortune 1000 enterprise to
be ready, we have to focus on Apple's status in its own current markets. In
my view, there's a lot of "retrenching" to do before they're ready. They
can start by ceasing their intimidation of Mac publishers, letting the damn
Mac rags publish OS 8.6 on their cover disks, and spending a bit more time,
effort, and energy on a "satisfy the customer at all costs throughout the
organisation" policy. These are all core competencies they'll need before
they can even THINK of invading the big-enterprise space.
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Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– July 30, 2012 01:23AM
Cloudscout
– July 30, 2012 02:41PM
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Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– July 30, 2012 02:58PM
I concur, CS.
bahamut
– July 30, 2012 07:37PM
So… Just as with the s jobs @ fruit .com email, t cook works well too. Got contact from the mother ship. Something to keep in mind when its necessary…
Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– July 31, 2012 02:21AM
Samsung is "good enough"...
The iPhone needs to ditch the "boxy but good" 4 series look and go for something slimline...
bahamut
– July 31, 2012 03:35AM
That samsung doesn't look half as good as the iPhone in that picture.
I think the issue is that Samsung's phones are considerably cheaper. If'n Apple heads to that route, kiss profit margin goodbye.
John Willoughby
– July 31, 2012 07:29AM
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
You had to know that Snow Leopard was going away soon. Hell, we couldn't keep Classic, we couldn't keep Rosetta. Apple doesn't want to maintain OS versions that don't support their current vision of what OS X should be. I'm not saying that you should be happy, or even accepting, but you knew it was coming.
Cloudscout
– July 31, 2012 07:59AM
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The biggest problem is that Apple refuses to put it into writing.
They don't believe in Lifecycle Management.
And I'm not asking for feature updates or anything. I just want them to stand by their products with security patches for a reasonable amount of time.
I bought my Mac Mini in 2007. It shipped with 10.4. The last security update released for 10.4 was in September 2009 (a month after Snow Leopard was released). If anybody wanted security updates past that point, they had to pay for an upgrade to Leopard, which saw its last security update in June 2011, or Snow Leopard which may or may not have seen its last security update already.
Upgrading to Lion or Mountain Lion isn't an option because the hardware is now officially unsupported. From here on, no more security updates for computers that would otherwise be perfectly usable. Considering these people likely paid $129 for Leopard and $29 for Snow Leopard, only to be abandoned shortly afterwards, I think there's good reason to be pissed off.
Compare that to a Windows user with an 11 year old computer... they are still receiving full security update support from Microsoft.
John Willoughby
– July 31, 2012 09:09AM
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
What constitutes a reasonable expected lifespan for a piece of computer hardware? Bearing in mind that you Mac Mini still works, I think that five years is pretty good. Would installing Intego or Sophos give you enough security going forward? And using Windows on an 11 year old computer is its own punishment. Didn't MS ostentatiously wash their hands of XP support a few months back? Maybe that wasn't for security patches.
I guess that this is a reasonable concern for some people, but I accept that Apple's going to consider my hardware obsolete at some point. At least with Apple it seems to be at the point when new hardware requires features that would be very burdensome to port back to older hardware. Dropping Carbon, dropping 32-bit driver support, etc.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/31/2012 09:11AM by John Willoughby.
YDD
– July 31, 2012 11:38AM
I think it's also a matter of the amount of warning Apple gives. Was it as much as a month when they pulled the XServe RAID? Likewise, Rosetta wasn't officially gone until people started receiving the Lion DVDs they'd ordered. Of course long term Apple users had seen the warning signs, but that's not the same as an official announcement. Technology definitely marches on, and I'm not in the camp which expects support forever (did you see the screams from those who were no longer going to be able to use Hypercard once Classic went away?), but some definitive advance statement would help planning.
John Willoughby
– July 31, 2012 11:45AM
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
Sure. But this is probably the company that's most famous for secretive practices. I don't like finding out that something is no longer supported any more than anybody else (and I'm STILL pissed about losing Classic), but that's Apple.
(And would it KILL them to sell a virtualizable Leopard?!)
Mokers
(Moderator)
– July 31, 2012 12:15PM
Formerly Remy Martin
Ironically, in the fast-moving phone market, Apple is doing much better keeping compatibility across hardware generations for their phones and iPads. I think with Apple currently on their one release a year schedule, it would really help if they were able to tie things down a bit. I think it would really help their software developers as well.
Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– August 01, 2012 10:07PM
John Willoughby
– August 02, 2012 07:40AM
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
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Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– August 02, 2012 05:01PM
porruka
(Admin)
– August 02, 2012 06:42PM
You know, I *like* RSS but even the folks behind RSS don't buy that it's one of the web's most important technologies...
Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– August 02, 2012 07:17PM
I never really got what it was really about but it's a shame that its being killed off by vested interests...
El Jeffe
– August 03, 2012 01:24AM
What a journey.
Again, we still get new laptops with XP, distributed at work. 10 years old.
John Willoughby
– August 03, 2012 08:29AM
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
Why does your work hate you so?
El Jeffe
– August 03, 2012 09:02AM
What a journey.