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Dr Phred's Avatar Picture Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 08, 2008 01:50PM Reply Quote
Enough about the president already!

Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 08, 2008 01:54PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
Just got back from spending the day (7 am -4:40 pm) at my local district DFL convention. Wow. I've never been to one of those before. Lots and lots of voting and parliamentary rules debates. But the fun part was the sub-caucuses. I convened a sub-caucus (Franken Education) and got a delegate elected to the state convention. Unfortunately it wasn't me, but it was a fellow Franken worker. Too bad, I won't get to experience the joy of a 3 day state convention.
But it was neat to see the down and dirty of sate and local politics in action.

Mokers (Moderator) – March 10, 2008 09:12AM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
I still count New York as local since I grew up there:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html

I am not posting this here because he is a Democrat, rather he was another person elected to help clean things up, etc. Both parties really are the same.

Madaracs – March 10, 2008 09:51AM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
Do you think Franken's popularity on SNL still lends to his general popularity even in MN? Or rather did it at all in the first place?

stan adams – March 10, 2008 09:52AM Reply Quote
Wow -- Spitzer really relished his "Elliot Ness of Wall Street" reputation. This could be very damaging -- I suspect he could survive if there is a "moment of weakness" aspect to his use of the service, but is there any suggestion that this was something that he actively supported the smack down will be devasting.

re Franken -- he has moved way beyond his "clownishness" from the early SNL and even beyond the satire of Stuart Smalley. Those are/were parts of him, but mostly characters of his past. The Franken that is running for Senate is a person who is very actively capitalizing on the dislike of Bush and Iraq, but without any governmental experience -- kind of like a Jesse Ventura from the other spectral end -- though I suspect because Franken is well educated and well connected among the Dem funders he could do very well as a Senator. There really is no need to be a lawyer or local pol before going to the Senate, it is all in what you hope to accomplish. The other Senators would have no problem putting Franken on the FCC oversight committee, but somehow I don't think Minnesotains really care about that. In terms of "interests back home" I'm sure Cargill and Pillsbury will want to keep Franken as far away from them as possible...



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Jeff Cooper – March 10, 2008 11:27AM Reply Quote
Indiana's 7th Congressional District has a special election tomorrow to replace Rep. Julia Carson, who passed away last December. The Democratic candidate, and likely winner, is a political novice with an undistinguished educational and employment background whose sole qualification is that he is the former Congresswoman's grandson. He was selected as the party's nominee at a special meeting of precinct chairs at which a number of allegations of improprieties were made. The DCCC is giving his campaign heavy financial backing.

Sometimes I'm ashamed of my party.



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Mokers (Moderator) – March 10, 2008 11:56AM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
Also, didn't mean to bring down your thread, Dr. Phred, with tales of corruption. I did appreciate your tale of local politics. As apathetic as I am about it all the time, I would be much more confident if more people took politics and their leadership as seriously as you.

Edit : Forgot to add. The Governator has an interesting answer to the budget problem. Let go of the prisoners! I ddidn't read the details, but this is a novel approach. Problem is, of course, where do you draw the line for the get out of jail free card? Unfortunately, it seems like a thousand lawsuits waiting to happen.



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Dr Phred (Moderator) – March 10, 2008 01:22PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
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Madaracs
Do you think Franken's popularity on SNL still lends to his general popularity even in MN? Or rather did it at all in the first place?

No. His Satirist past doesn't help with most voters. I hear from voters that are concerned about him not being serious enough or being to cruel in his humor. I've found that most change their views if they bother to hear him speak. He uses humor but he's very passionate about his progressive values. Youtube him for examples. (see this video at 1:34 to see my boss at the campaign!)

He's doing very well with the DFL (Minnesota's Demoratic party). Most precinct conventions have been a repeat of ours It's Franken 3 to 1 over the nearest rival.

Madaracs – March 12, 2008 05:16AM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
Yeah, I listened to his show when it was on. I enjoyed his viewpoints and think he's more well rounded than both his democrat or republican opponents. I don't agree with some of what he has to say but I like that he's passionate about politics. That being said, I would probably not have listened at all to him had he not been on SNL.

El Jeffe – March 12, 2008 03:00PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Maybe Ron can help?

email tonight:

LETTER FROM HOLLY PAYNE
MAY I APOLOGISE FOR INTRUDING INTO YOUR PRIVACY. MY NAME IS HOLLY PAYNE A CITIZEN OF WALES PRESENTLY IN ENGLAND. MY FAMILY AND I ARE HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING OUR FAMILY FUNDS(TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS) OUT OF A SECURITY COMPANY IN HOLLAND, SINCE THE DEATH OF MY FATHER. WE NEED YOUR HELP TO ASSIST US AND YOU WILL HAVE A SHARE OF SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS , BUT SINCE WE HAVE NOT MET BEFORE, I DECIDED TO SEEK FOR YOUR PERMISSION BEFORE GIVING YOU THE DETAILS. IF YOU WILL BE SO KIND ENOUGH TO GRANT ME THE PERMISSION, I WILL BE GLAD TO GIVE YOU THE DETAILS.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE. PLEASE REPLY ME BACK AT mrshollypayne5@live.com
THANKS,
HOLLY PAYNE

What a journey.

rino – March 12, 2008 06:47PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
This is the young woman who was paid for: http://www.myspace.com/ninavenetta

El Jeffe – March 13, 2008 12:25AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Exactly as I pictured her.

What a journey.

stan adams – March 13, 2008 05:52AM Reply Quote
I was thinking that Spitzer would be more into some kind of "fetish" or kink -- the whole racial thing seems like there would be multitude of deep seated insecurities he'd be "addressing".

This woman looks too much like someone that could be on his staff, or worse, be pals with his daughters. I'm thinking his wife Silda (?) is not going to easily let this go -- it is one thing to find your husband has some creepy "thing" for Asian girls or super tall Grace Jones type models, but this is not something that a 50 year Harvard educated lawyer with three 3 kids and a 20 year marriage will just shrug off from her headline grabbing, hard charging prosecuter husband...

bahamut – March 13, 2008 06:45AM Reply Quote
and slida is pretty hot too, at least in some of the images i've seen. she's no typical political wife (not that michelle obama or bill clinton are either).



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stan adams – March 13, 2008 06:57AM Reply Quote
Hey is just me or does Cindy McCain take her make-up tips from Mars Attacks?




El Jeffe – March 13, 2008 07:43AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Come on. Better looking as a woman than the old bittys that are aging british actors.

What a journey.

stan adams – March 13, 2008 10:50AM Reply Quote
It is beyond ironic that Spitzer got "tagged" by the exact kind of behavior that a PROSECUTOR ought to have been completely clued in to -- the poor bastard was moving CASH out his bank accounts and into that of the "prostitution club" in amounts that triggered the U.S. Dept. of Treasury anti-money laundering alerts. The IRS was almost certainly already tracking the "club" as its "QAT Consultanting" front had all the hallmarks of an illegal enterprise.

If Spitzer had spent even a few days of actual "in the trenches" investigative/prosecutorial work he would have known there are still LOTS of effective ways to hide such transactions.

Mob guys with connections to smart CPA-types should have been his role model... A few 1099s and suddenly everything looks much less suspicious.

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/top-5/2008/03/11/Spitzer-Money-Trail



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tliet – March 13, 2008 01:11PM Reply Quote
Reading that leads to the obvious question; why did such small transactions lead to the investigation in the first place? It was not because he was withdrawing $400,000 on a regular basis.

Mokers (Moderator) – March 13, 2008 01:46PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
People don't launder money at $400,000 intervals. As the article states, banks have systems to figure out when shady things happen.

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It's important to note that it's not illegal to take large sums of money from your bank account. Many reports get filed on customers with perfectly legitimate reasons for their withdrawals. In fact, it's up to your bank to determine whether or not the activity its systems flag on your account even warrants an S.A.R. at all.

Here's where it helps if you're not a public official. Because the name on the account was Eliot Spitzer, the bank likely had no choice but to file the S.A.R. to Treasury officials. In this case, the suspicious activity could be covering up corruption, misuse of campaign finances, bribes, or any number of illegalities.

Likely some algorithm caught him, and if it was Eliot Spitzer, computer programmer, the investigation doesn't go on. Again, the surprise is that Spitzer should have some rudementary knowledge of how people get caught and have been able to avoid it.

El Jeffe – March 13, 2008 01:48PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
so, he was inept in a multitude of ways.

What a journey.

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