Wouldn't You Like to be a Cylon Too?

This was the best episode of the season, but overall, this was an average season. I was happy with how it ended, but really, they got to this point using about twice as many episodes as they really needed.

- Look. Gaeta is missing a leg. It's hard for him to pick up a cup. He is sweating still, but at least he is not singing any more.

-Loved the scene when Saul told the old man he was a Cylon. Didn't love the following Adama in pain sequence. That was so melodramatic and cheesy and overacted. Why is he such a pussy now?

-Lee's speech about forging a new path was almost as cheesy.

-I really thought Lee was going to kill Saul...until I saw that Kara started running through the halls. At that moment, I knew she would dramatically stop everything before he died.

Overall, it was worth it. I sort of wished they had just ended the season now. It would have pissed off a lot of people, but it would have shown some courage.

And really, so they didn't find the final colony. What's so bad about that? If the rest of the Cylon fleet can't find them, who cares? Start a new fucking life. Is the entire planet for shit? Didn't they have weather on their planets? So it's one rainy, cold day where they landed. Come on people! Start humping and get on with the human race! Build some more planets to defend your fleet. Do whatever.

PS, this season was always meant to be two parts, even with the strike. That is how they have been doing it the last few seasons.

At least leave some folks behind that can populate Earth, just in case they move forward and can't find anything else good.

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So, do we really have to wait 6 months for the last 10 episodes?

That is the rumor. I think it's ridiculous. BSG of all shows had full opportunity to stay on schedule--regardless of a writers strike. They were well ahead of schedule when all of that went down. They made us wait a YEAR for the fracking 4th Season. And now, oh we can't keep up. How a show that starts in December of 2003 can limp along for 6 years and only produce 4 seasons is beyond me. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you delivered like that at your job--wouldn't you be fired?



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This was the best episode of the season, but overall, this was an average season...

I don't' know if I can agree with you on that one Siskel.

I was happy with how it ended, but really, they got to this point using about twice as many episodes as they really needed.

There were a couple of episodes that drug it out yes, but I'd have to say overall that they contributed to the overall show--even though I didn't like them as much and they made me want to shove Baltar out the airlock. A friend of mine who watched them back to back--instead of being nickle and dimed each week said that he really enjoyed the season overall as well. I think bad elements of certain episodes are much easier to overlook when you're being pacified the next hour by a great episode.

Look. Gaeta is missing a leg. It's hard for him to pick up a cup. He is sweating still, but at least he is not singing any more.

Felix could still be a cylon. ;-)

Loved the scene when Saul told the old man he was a Cylon. Didn't love the following Adama in pain sequence. That was so melodramatic and cheesy and overacted. Why is he such a pussy now?

This, I actually loved. I really liked the fact you get the feeling that Adama has no confidence in who he is anymore. A man who he's been friends with for MORE than 30 years now tells him, "Look, Bill. I'm a Cylon. Like it or not." It makes Adama question his very soul. Afterall, good ol' Husker spent most of his younger years blasting toasters out of the sky and now--and now---what? What does it mean? Who is he? He needs to question it for a moment. Fall down. Get right back up. And realize he is still the man he was. I think it was an important scene and one I personally would never omit.

Lee's speech about forging a new path was almost as cheesy.

Nothing is as cheesy as the speech in Independence Day by Bill Pullman. Nothing.

I really thought Lee was going to kill Saul...until I saw that Kara started running through the halls. At that moment, I knew she would dramatically stop everything before he died

Because the shows writers 'do what they want' so often, I half expected that to be Tigh's last episode. The only thing about that scene that pissed me off was how much longer it apparently took Starbuck to race through the halls and decks of Galactica. Seems like Lee and team know quicker routes to the airlocks. Sometimes I hate dramatic pause.

Overall, it was worth it. I sort of wished they had just ended the season now. It would have pissed off a lot of people, but it would have shown some courage.

I turned to my wife at the end of this episode and said, "That's gonna be one helluva epilogue." I'm an epilogue type of guy. One of the reasons I loved ST:TNG was because after all was said in done you got to see how the characters reacted at the end of the show. I enjoy that element in story telling.

And really, so they didn't find the final colony. What's so bad about that? If the rest of the Cylon fleet can't find them, who cares? Start a new fucking life. Is the entire planet for shit? Didn't they have weather on their planets? So it's one rainy, cold day where they landed. Come on people! Start humping and get on with the human race! Build some more planets to defend your fleet. Do whatever.

Humping is good. But seriously, they're humped. I half expected to see Peter Ustinov climb from the wreckage with a bunch of cats.

Not the best season ever? Maybe. Better than 3? Overall, definitely. Season 1 is still my personal favorite and I don't even know why. Probably because it was new. Stepping back I'd have to rate this half season at 87% fresh.



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Next episode they'll be rebuilding and the reprise will feature a group kumbahyah with this modified typical Unitarian hymnal:

We are a gentle, angry people

We are a gentle angry people, X 2
and we are singing, singing for our lives

We are a justice seeking people, X 2
and we are singing, singing for our lives

We are young and old together, X 2
and we are singing, singing for our lives

We are a land of many colors, X 2
and we are singing, singing for our lives

We are gay and straight together X 2
And we are singing, singing for our lives

We are human and cylon together X 2
And we are singing, singing for our lives

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It's the only way for the old man to reconcile his newfound, er, confounded sense of reality. Let go and let gods.



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helluv' an epilogue

said AND done

I suck.

Madaracs,

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There were a couple of episodes that drug it out yes, but I'd have to say overall that they contributed to the overall show--even though I didn't like them as much and they made me want to shove Baltar out the airlock. A friend of mine who watched them back to back--instead of being nickle and dimed each week said that he really enjoyed the season overall as well. I think bad elements of certain episodes are much easier to overlook when you're being pacified the next hour by a great episode.

See, I don't like story just for the sake of telling a story. That is a soap opera. This is television and the writers are professionals. There job is to separate a story into relatively easy to digest segments. It is not my fault it is not a miniseries with 2 hour episodes or a ten hour movie. They should be able to manage without me having to devote an entire day to the process.

Besides. Average for this show is still pretty good. It definitely wasn't as bad as last year. Overall, it was much better, but it was slow. Perhaps they only had ten good episodes of material, but the studio wanted to sell twenty episodes worth to advertisers so they just made some random shit up, I don't know. Whatever the reason, it should stand up to criticism.

You know why people nickel and dime shows? Because they are average.

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I turned to my wife at the end of this episode and said, "That's gonna be one helluva epilogue." I'm an epilogue type of guy. One of the reasons I loved ST:TNG was because after all was said in done you got to see how the characters reacted at the end of the show. I enjoy that element in story telling.

Yeah, but then the ending is not dramatic. Would have loved to see this

Yeah, I don't disagree that it would have been completely dramatic. But for my taste it would have left too many questions... like "Is that actually frackin' Earth?"

We still don't really know...

are you saying you couldn't tell how the characters were reacting in the last scene of this season? i acutely felt each one's response. remember: show, not tell. it's better to see that someone's, say, happy, then to have them say "look, i'm happy".

ddt

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ddt
are you saying you couldn't tell how the characters were reacting in the last scene of this season? i acutely felt each one's response. remember: show, not tell. it's better to see that someone's, say, happy, then to have them say "look, i'm happy".

ddt

Yes, this is my problem with the scene post Saul's relevation to Adama. Anybody who has seen one episode of this show, let alone three plus seasons *know* that Adama is going to be torn apart by his betrayal. Instead, it had a "Let's write up a dramatic Emmy clip!" kind of feel for me. Besides, it's not like he doesn't get over it. Now if Adama decided to shoot or hang himself or something, that would have surprised me.

Madaracs,

You might be able to add these scenarios:

11) They find earth, but it's really Planet of the Apes.

12) They find earth, and it's been taken over by vampires.

13) They find earth, but all they find are boxes of Soylent Green.

In any scenario, you have Charlton Heston running around like a madman. And, I assure you, "ALL WILL BE REVEALED (no, really this time, we mean it. seriously, no joke. just watch the rest of the season and we'll answer your questions. we promise)"

14) They find Earth. It's controlled by Skynet. Some T-1000's show them that Cylons aren't the baddest robots out there.

15) They find earth. It's controlled by the matrix. They join the revolution.

Well, we need to know the final ONE. And God or godS

They find earth, but have to kill the girl to feed their starving dog.

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ddt
are you saying you couldn't tell how the characters were reacting in the last scene of this season? i acutely felt each one's response. remember: show, not tell. it's better to see that someone's, say, happy, then to have them say "look, i'm happy".

ddt

Nope. Wasn't saying that.

>>Well, we need to know the final ONE. And God or godS

Here's your answer, Bill...

Zoom in for panoramic effect...



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BTW, another reason I am happy with the ending is that I always thought Leoben was a big shmuck, so I am going to blame him for all of this.

Here's a thought... what if the other Cylons beat them to the site and wiped out Earth? ;-)

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A theory: The thirteenth colony left in ancient times. They found Earth and settled... the pyramids were built... tribes were formed across the planet...

"There are those who believe... that life here... began out there. Far across the universe. With tribes of humans... who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians... or the Toltecs... or the Mayans... that they may have been the architects of the Great Pyramids... or the lost civilizations of Lemuria... or Atlantis... Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man... who even now fight to survive... somewhere beyond the heavens..."

There is a shift in religion and the ancient texts containing knowledge and teachings of the gods are ignored. Christianity takes hold... wars are fought... we build robots in our image called Cylons. These Cylons end up wiping out our planet because we are imperfect--but because they were built in our image they believe in the one true God. They seek to eradicate the remaining 12 tribes and head back toward their original home. They discover they've also built robots--also called Cylons. These Cylons are not as advanced and they enslave them. They arrive at the Space station seen in the Miniseries and thus begins the Cylon invasion...

Galactica and the fleet fight for hope and look to find Earth. This is why both the gods prophecies and the one true God theories merge in the final episodes causing them both to find Earth.



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mad,

I'd love to follow both of your recent posts. Perhaps because it's Friday, I can't.

What is in the photo?

as for the other, I can't wrap my brain around it right now.

Here's another thought... what if Billy is the last Cylon...