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Robert Taylor – December 12, 2007 10:15AM Reply Quote
Well, at least B?K! got a head start.

morganti – April 18, 2008 04:46AM Reply Quote
Dude... that was Soooooo absurd.

One of the liveblogs I was reading counted the time till the first policy question. 53 minutes. 53 minutes of "patriotism" and "Reverend Wright" and "Bitter" and "bullshit". These are the DEMOCRATIC CANDIATES for the presidency. There are ACTUAL POLICY DIFFERENCES between them. I know its a stretch, but how about ASKING THEM ABOUT THOSE DIFFERENCES.

And poor multimillon-per-year-salary Charles Gibson was just DISTRAUGHT about the friggin Capital Gains Tax.

Morg "I thought ABC was supposed to be liberal, not Hannity's mouthpiece...oh wait... No I didn't." anti

stan adams – April 18, 2008 07:13AM Reply Quote
My wife and I were mesmerized at both the triviality of the majority of the question and the lack of frustration on the part of either Hillary or Barak. Away from this "debate" it is clear that they both know this going to be a fight to the death "two people enter one person leaves" {not quite as dramatic with the gender neutral pronouns...}

In the big picture I guess they both know not that many people are swayed by policy differences, it is a beauty contest for better than 95% of voters. I wonder if neither of them tried too hard to "score points about policy" on the fear that doing so would be seen as belligerent??

Personally I'd love a checklist of "I say but she says" and even a straightforward rebuttal of "I say but he says" -- to me that is informative. Others?

morganti – April 18, 2008 09:39AM Reply Quote
Regarding the debate. From Here...

As always, they justify their vapid gossip by patronizingly claiming that it's what the little people are interested in -- all grounded in their condescending fantasies about the political assessments of the salt-of-the-earth simpletons who comprise the voting masses -- but this sort of childish, barren yapping is, in reality, representative of nothing other than how our empty Beltway media thinks.

That has been the dominant media theme for the last two decades in our political discourse, and particularly in our national elections. Leave policy and ideology to the side. Just ignore it. What matters is that Democrats and liberals are weak, effete, elitist, nerdy, military-hating, gender-confused losers, whose men are effeminate, whose women are emasculating dykes, and who merit sneering mockery and derision. Republican right-wing male leaders are salt-of-the-earth, wholesome, likable tough guys -- courageous warriors and normal family men who merit personal admiration and affection.

The Republican Party pioneered by Lee Atwater, Roger Ailes, and Karl Rove will redeploy these same personality-based themes in the 2008 election because it is all they know and, more important, because nothing has yet ended the efficacy of such deceitful strategies. A shallow and gossipy press continues to eat it up.


We (the media) do it because thats all salt of the earth simpletons are interested in... I mean, people dont actually CARE or TALK about real issues at "diners" and "bars". They talk about the cost of Edward's Haircut. They talk about how bitchy Hillary is. They wonder if Barrak is black enough, or NOT black enough. Is he not a patriot because he doesnt wear lapel pins?

That's what the little people want to hear... So that's what we're going to give them. And as others on the internet have noted, I Guaran-godamn-tee that ABCNews comes out and says "look this debate was a HUGE success, look at the ratings". Ugh. Also read elsewhere...

It's like mounting a Broadway show and closing it after one night. Look everyone the house was PACKED... Standing Room Only... It was the greatest play ever...

Morg "Pathetic... Simply pathetic" anti

Dr. Strangelove – April 18, 2008 10:43AM Reply Quote
I didn't watch the debate, but I did enjoy this take.

johnny k – April 18, 2008 01:22PM Reply Quote
Wow, they actually asked Obama "Does Reverend Wright love America more than you?" Are you fucking kidding me? I read a bit of the transcript and I see that they acknowledged that Clinton wasn't getting enough time as they grilled Obama, and then when she did get a chance, she joined in on the Weatherman shit right after Obama said "George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about."

SoupIsGood Food – April 18, 2008 08:05PM Reply Quote
I'm at the point where I think, from the toerrorist's perspective, "OK, Lesson Learned" - which is, that if you attack the US directly in the name of Islam, they will go collectively bugfuck nuts, and bomb the hell out of whoever is Muslim and politically expedient, and occupy their ass for decades at a time. If that's what Bush was after, hey, Mission Accomplished.

As an American, it makes feel kinda sad and cowardly.


SoupIsGood Food

stan adams – April 21, 2008 05:43PM Reply Quote
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SoupIsGood Food
I'm at the point where I think, from the toerrorist's perspective, "OK, Lesson Learned" - which is, that if you attack the US directly in the name of Islam, they will go collectively bugfuck nuts, and bomb the hell out of whoever is Muslim and politically expedient, and occupy their ass for decades at a time. If that's what Bush was after, hey, Mission Accomplished.

As an American, it makes feel kinda sad and cowardly.


SoupIsGood Food


While I too feel that things have been handled Very Badly Indeed, I don't think I'd feel a particularly Brave and Cunning as an American if we did manage to pluck Osama and his merry band of idiot financiers from the hinterlands of Pakistan/Afghanistan and we set up some big trial were he was represented by the best legal minds that this planet has to offer and he spouted off his whack job nonsense for hours on end until the Magistrate decided to remove him from the court and have in a little room with a video conference setup and the whole thing lasted decades and Saddam was thinking of a dozen different ways to try and bluff the Iranians into leaving him the fuck alone and oil was still cheap and the deficit spending was lower. Or maybe I would...

El Jeffe – April 25, 2008 02:43AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
The video of the Syrian nuke plant in this article is interesting. It shows that SOMEONE or some few people, were on the inside. The photos were up close and personal. It would be interesting to know if they were Israeli, US or other spies. And the building is notably average looking to me. Very good intelligence to be able to pick that needle out. Again, if they had someone inside, it makes it easier. How do they keep track of any and all normal looking buildings going up around the world? Or those going up just in Dubai alone? Some day all these efforts will fail and someone will get and use a nuke... I predict in our lifetime(s).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24293375/

tliet – April 25, 2008 06:14AM Reply Quote
Isn't it ironic that Israel bombed this facility? The same Israel that has illegally developed nuclear weapons and spied on the US to help it build them?

And then jailed the wistleblower for most of his life after he was illegally abducted from Europe?

El Jeffe – April 25, 2008 07:23AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
proxy

John Willoughby – April 26, 2008 10:10AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
Israel never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, did they? I'm pretty sure that Syria did. Also, Israel has not denied the right of Syria to exist.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/26/2008 10:12AM by John Willoughby.

El Jeffe – April 26, 2008 10:16AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
quit being logical

tliet – April 26, 2008 11:02AM Reply Quote
Yeah, US logic...

morganti – April 28, 2008 06:15AM Reply Quote
I for one am shocked, SHOCKED that the criminal administration of these, my beloved United States, would UNILATERALLY undermine the worlds ability to monitor and track Nuclear weapons/reactor/material issues.

Just beside myself in shock.

Morg "Never would have seen that comin'....." anti

ARL (Moderator) – May 26, 2008 02:39PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
Hmmm... I'd always been curious about Australia's low casualty rate (not that I want it to be high).

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In East Timor, Major Hammett writes, the infantry has performed stability operations but has been relegated to the "periphery of the battle space". In Afghanistan, it has largely provided protection to reconstruction teams. In southern Iraq it has been limited to force protection, even when the local Iraqi army has been overrun. The allied headquarters in southern Iraq had been formally briefed that Australian infantry soldiers were banned from "offensive operations, attack and pursuit".

It seems the dictum that "war is politics conducted by other means" is very true in this case...

ddt – June 05, 2008 06:22AM Reply Quote
sigh...

ddt

El Jeffe – June 05, 2008 07:03AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I empathize with your disappointment. Once the tables are turned, I hope you can mine, as well.

rino – June 05, 2008 07:48AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Disappointment?

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"I think history will record that a remarkably strong president happened to be in office at a juncture where weapons of mass destruction and terrorism rewrote all the rules of engagement in international relations," Gingrich said. "It will record that the president moved beyond old institutions and developed a new set of alliances."

Dr Phred (Moderator) – June 05, 2008 08:25AM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
Yeah, when President Obama starts a preemptive ill-planned war, feel free to gloat.

John Willoughby – June 05, 2008 10:34AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
>"It will record that the president moved beyond old institutions and developed a new set of alliances."

New alliances? With who? Halliburton?

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