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Robert Taylor – December 12, 2007 10:15AM Reply Quote
Well, at least B?K! got a head start.

tliet – December 31, 2007 11:22PM Reply Quote
DPBD

Finally, the NYT has come forward and written something that should have been written a long time ago.

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NYT Editorial
There are too many moments these days when we cannot recognize our country. Sunday was one of them, as we read the account in The Times of how men in some of the most trusted posts in the nation plotted to cover up the torture of prisoners by Central Intelligence Agency interrogators by destroying videotapes of their sickening behavior. It was impossible to see the founding principles of the greatest democracy in the contempt these men and their bosses showed for the Constitution, the rule of law and human decency.


It was not the first time in recent years we’ve felt this horror, this sorrowful sense of estrangement, not nearly. This sort of lawless behavior has become standard practice since Sept. 11, 2001.

The country and much of the world was rightly and profoundly frightened by the single-minded hatred and ingenuity displayed by this new enemy. But there is no excuse for how President Bush and his advisers panicked — how they forgot that it is their responsibility to protect American lives and American ideals, that there really is no safety for Americans or their country when those ideals are sacrificed.

El Jeffe – January 01, 2008 04:24AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
sounds like she simply misspoke. Or, there is/was more than one OBL, or pronunciations of which sound similar.

What a journey.

tliet – January 01, 2008 04:45AM Reply Quote
Yes, that seems the most plausible explanation, still, she didn't correct her words, nor was she corrected.

Anyway, the stories around her death are becoming better and better.

El Jeffe – January 01, 2008 07:04AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I'm saddened by the death. But, I am not particularly interested in the details. She's dead.

What a journey.

John Willoughby – January 01, 2008 09:38AM Reply Quote
Save us, Lord, from the furries of the Norsemen!
Tliet, it would really help me if would summarize briefly in text your point. Sometimes I am where I can't listen to videos, and sometimes I just don't want to put two minutes into something to find out what you are talking about. I appreciate the links to the original sources, but sometimes I'd like to be able to assess things quickly.

tliet – January 01, 2008 11:29AM Reply Quote
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I'm saddened by the death. But, I am not particularly interested in the details. She's dead.
That seems to be the general position of the Republican party about everything that matters these days.



John, fair enough. The videos I posted were those of Benazir Bhutto calmly telling David Frost of Al Jazeera "...Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama bin Laden...". Frost didn't react, nor did she correct herself. The BBC simply cut the line from the interview later on.

It is to the listener, reader to guess what is behind all this...



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El Jeffe – January 01, 2008 12:50PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
My position is she's dead, let's move on. I'm not sure that's a republican/conservative trait. Just mine. I felt for her but yet had no real connection to her or no particular interest in her. Regardless of who it was (her), I'm not sure that in that region finding out more details about which of the bad guys killed her matters much.

But, regardless, to the mis-speak... meh. I taped some execs recently who kept talking about a CEO that we had who had left like 8 years ago. We kept looking at each other but we, too, let him talk and edited it. I'm sure if asked pointedly he'd understand the CEO since moved on. I know for myself, when I give presentations, I have NO IDEA what I am saying.

What a journey.

John Willoughby – January 01, 2008 02:17PM Reply Quote
Save us, Lord, from the furries of the Norsemen!
We know. We read your posts. : )

tliet – January 01, 2008 10:42PM Reply Quote
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My position is she's dead, let's move on. I'm not sure that's a republican/conservative trait. Just mine. I felt for her but yet had no real connection to her or no particular interest in her.

Well yes, that's why the current 'administration' keeps getting away with the crimes that have been committed by it. Since everything that happens outside the US or happened yesterday is either non news or old hat.

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But, regardless, to the mis-speak... meh. I taped some execs recently who kept talking about a CEO that we had who had left like 8 years ago. We kept looking at each other but we, too, let him talk and edited it.

This woman was highly intelligent and very well spoken, so I doubt it was simply a mishap. The average CEO/executive is not very intelligent but rather self absorbed. Remember she was under house arrest since then and has now been murdered, a day before she would reveal how she thought (and possibly could prove) the coming elections could be falsified. Something the US is somewhat familiar with.

(Link points to a video where Greg Palast digs into the surrounding events of the fired federal prosectutors)



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El Jeffe – January 02, 2008 02:03AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Largest Army National Guard call-up/ship-out since WWII today. 3,400 troops. Including a/the guy that I know.

Little Indiana has the fourth largest National Guard unit, from what I have heard. (just noticed/blocked the anti-W ad below, how appropriate)

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7565645&nav=menu188_2

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/14959475/detail.html

What a journey.

El Jeffe – January 02, 2008 09:45AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
A page to honor the deployment:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=special20

What a journey.

El Jeffe – January 05, 2008 08:39AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I am in no mood to read this, but YOU might(be).

http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/databomb/index.htm

What a journey.

tomierna (Admin) – January 05, 2008 09:32AM Reply Quote
Hideously Unnatural
Are you in no mood to read it because it questions the Lancet and Lancet II which both said that there have been over 600k civilian deaths in Iraq?

I would think that if those studies were flawed, you'd want to know about it.

El Jeffe – January 05, 2008 09:35AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I read the synopsis, just not the details. So, in that respect I do know about it. Just posted here in case it's new/interesting for anyone else. It seems to be getting some attention in other areas (of the net) and thought it might be of interest here.

What a journey.

tliet – January 06, 2008 04:04AM Reply Quote
Well researched piece and it proved the numbers were probably exaggerated. That said however, I would like to see an as thoroughly well researched article about the decision making process around the Iraq war. Especially the money trails would be most interesting to follow.

Because the real disgrace here is the fact that the whole reason to go to war was a bag of lies to begin with.

Dr. Strangelove – January 06, 2008 06:19AM Reply Quote
Well researched in what way? It seems like a rehash of all the bogus complaints that critics have been repeating for the past few years. I don't see one new thing in it.

El Jeffe – January 06, 2008 08:49AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
This is what I had in mind when I recently posted about going into Pakistan and cleaning up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/washington/06terror.html?ei=5065&en=4d9a85a2dc657cc0&ex=1200286800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

What a journey.

tliet – January 06, 2008 11:15AM Reply Quote
Well egg, the sample size has proved too little to be extrapolated and yes, this article does reheat some of the older arguments, hence, I'd like to see a similary researched article about the march towards the war in Iraq.

Bill, the mess is only getting bigger and bigger. But, as I said before, all the 'wars against...' only lead to a stronger need for 'wars against...' so I guess this will inevitable. And your point will be proven.

rino – January 06, 2008 02:58PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Who do we prop up covertly to destroy those we propped up covertly who turn against us?

El Jeffe – January 07, 2008 02:20AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Did anyone see the 60 minutes interview with Musharef (sp?)?

Well, for one, I am totally turned off by that interviewer. Come from a HS newspaper? :)

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3680195n

But, I was perplexed by this guy's answers. For one, I appreciated his command of the English language, though.

I kept trying to put myself in his position. But, I still came away with not a whole lot of empathy for him. Mainly because it's HIS FREAKING COUNTRY. I can't imagine an area in the US where we can't go in and rid it of troublemakers. (S.F. maybe?)

But, to blame Bhutto SOLELY for her death is unbelievable. I had READ that, but to hear him say it was even stranger.

Oh well. Just more info on this whole thing.

What a journey.



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