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That Darn Google...

ARL (Moderator) – May 12, 2011 08:15PM Reply Quote
With the release of Chrome OS (whatever the hell that is) I thought it might be time Google got it's own thread.

Don't be evil? < /Snark...>

John Willoughby – June 25, 2012 05:08PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
I dunno. I wouldn't think Google would downplay cancer of any kind after seeing how the press treated Apple about Jobs' illness, and Google isn't associated with Page as strongly as Apple was with Jobs, but who knows?

Mokers (Moderator) – June 25, 2012 05:46PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
I am going to bat for google a bit. When you do a search for Pizza, google has to try and determine what your one word search is implying. their algorithm states that a person doing a search for "pizza" is really looking for places to shop for Pizza, and google will deliver. If you add context to the search "how to make a pizza" or "pizza crust" or "pizza porn", you get a lot more context in your results and, at least in my case, very few sponsored links and other clutter.

That being said, the instant search results is very distracting.

Cloudscout – June 25, 2012 07:18PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
I really, really hate Instant Search. I also hate the fact that it seems to get re-enabled from time-to-time.

El Jeffe – June 26, 2012 12:30AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
i have never been able to DISable it. I think right at first, for like one week maybe. But it's always enabled for me.
I ignore it.

Mokers (Moderator) – June 26, 2012 12:21PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
I don't like to sign into google by default, but I do just so I can disable instant search.

Dr Phred (Moderator) – June 28, 2012 06:34PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
I'm liking google chrome on my iPad. It syncs nicely with my desktop and remembers my passwords.
Makes a great mobile Spork reader.

Dave Loudin – July 10, 2012 08:57AM Reply Quote
Agreed, Dr. Phred. Plus it recovers better when The Washington Post's site crashes WebKit.

ddt – July 20, 2012 01:13PM Reply Quote
Wow, closing the one browser tab that had a Google Doc (spreadsheet) in it reduced the browser's overall CPU load from 90something% to 50something%.


ARL (Moderator) – September 12, 2012 08:25PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!


The Australian Sex Party this morning lodged formal complaints against Google with the US Department of Justice and the Australian competition watchdog, accusing the search giant of corrupt practices and unlawfully interfering with the conduct of a recent Victorian byelection.

The Sex Party says Google refused to run its advertisements in the lead-up to the July 12 byelection for the state seat of Melbourne. Its ads were also refused during the last federal election.

Emails seen by Fairfax show Facebook also rejected Sex Party ads during the recent City of Sydney Council elections. Facebook accused the party of promoting “adult products or services”.

In a letter to the fraud section of the US Department of Justice seen by Fairfax, Australian Sex Party president Fiona Patten accuses Google of “unlawful interference in the conduct of a state election in Victoria” and having "corrupt intent".

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2012 08:26PM by Tony Leggett.

John Willoughby – September 13, 2012 12:17PM Reply Quote
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John Willoughby – September 17, 2012 07:55AM Reply Quote
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Cloudscout – September 17, 2012 08:50AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!

John Willoughby – September 17, 2012 09:47AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
The app store may be as corrupt as hell, but if the ability to run Android apps makes an OS Android, then the Blackberry Player OS is Android too. How "open" is software if including any of it on a Linux base turns you into a proscribed "android branch?" It seems all the more hypocritical given Google's position of Dalvik vs. Java.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/17/2012 09:48AM by John Willoughby.

Cloudscout – September 17, 2012 11:35AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
They don't seem to have a problem with the fact that the OS is an Android fork.

They are saying that Acer is a member of the Open Handset Alliance and, as such, isn't supposed to dabble in Android forks that don't meet the OHA's documented standards.

Blackberry, Kindle Fire and Aliyun all have support for Android applications. Amazon and RIM aren't members of the OHA so they're free to do whatever they want with their Android forks. Acer is free to release devices running Aliyun or any other OS whether it's based on Android or not. The catch is that releasing an Android-based device that doesn't conform to the OHA standards means that they don't get to bundle Google's apps on their devices anymore. That includes Gmail, Google Maps and Google's appstore itself.

Whether that is right or wrong is up for debate on its own but it seems like an important distinction. Google can't prevent Acer from releasing whatever they want to release based on the open-source Android codebase but if Acer wants the benefits they get from their OHA membership, they have to play by the rules or go it alone like Amazon and RIM.

John Willoughby – September 17, 2012 11:55AM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
But what makes an Android fork? Is any Linux that uses any open-sourced code from Android an Android fork? Would a Ubuntu distribution that included some Android headers become an Android fork?

Cloudscout – September 17, 2012 01:48PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
That's a matter of semantics. I jokingly referred to this as a chopstick rather than a fork.

It's an OS that is designed to run Android apps and uses code from the Android project in order to make that happen. Whether you call it a fork, a spoon or a... spork, isn't exactly relevant. It's an OS built on Android frameworks that doesn't meet the compatibility requirements of the OHA.

Note, other manufacturers are selling phones based on non-Android OSes without any trouble. HTC and Samsung both make Windows Phones. Samsung even has their own Smartphone OS called Bada and Google is fine with it.

Aliyun is an attempt at making an OS that is partially-compatible with Android which inherently fragments the Android platform. If that's the direction Acer wants to go, they have to give up their OHA benefits.

John Willoughby – September 17, 2012 03:37PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
It's an OS that USES Android frameworks. My understanding was that at its core it is based on another Linux distribution. Still seems a lot like the Dalvik/Java argument to me. And it seems like Google is making sure that "open" Android is a lot more like the closed iOS than they want people to know.

ARL (Moderator) – September 17, 2012 03:39PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
Maybe Google just needs to go "thermonuclear" on them...

Cloudscout – September 17, 2012 04:33PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
I guess I don't understand the comparison to the Dalvik/Java argument. Dalvik is just the interpreter. All kinds of interpreters could be plugged into the frameworks, in fact, one group actually translated the entire thing to C# and managed to make a working Android environment based on a Mono interpreter. In theory, you could use an Objective-C foundation if you really wanted to.

Remember, Amazon pretty much the entire Android OS running on the Kindle Fire tablets. This is perfectly fine. It's an open-source codebase and Amazon isn't a member of the OHA. RIM has their own OS with Android frameworks bolted on in order to make it compatible with Android apps. Again, perfectly legitimate because RIM didn't join the OHA and agree to driving a single, unified Android platform.

Acer could certainly release products running Aliyun. They could even continue selling products running full Android as well. The only thing they would lose is the ability to distribute Gmail, Google Maps and the Google appstore on those devices.

John Willoughby – September 17, 2012 05:06PM Reply Quote
Cyberdyne Systems Customer Support
I understand Acer's legal position, I think.

With Android development, Google took the Java API's and Java language, and swapped in a different compiler that produced different byte code. The end result runs on Android just as the same code compiled for Java would run in the JVM. To me, that looks like Google swiping everything that they want from Java, and tweaking it so that they can sidestep the licensing that Sun/Oracle requires. From the testimony, it looked that way to some of Google's engineers, too. Whatever the legality of that dispute turns out to be, it seems to me that Google is to some extent playing both sides of the field. "Everything that touches Android is Android" vs. "Sure we took a lot of Java, but we didn't take this part so it's not Java."

I know it is nowhere near an exact analogy, but that's the way that it strikes me. Apologies for belaboring the issue.

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