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MacOS X a dog or just in need of a good bitch slap?

Dr Phred's Avatar Picture Dr Phred (Moderator) – December 10, 2007 10:05AM Reply Quote
Can't keep a good topic down....

-Swine Flu free since...cough, cough...

ddt – October 21, 2011 06:40AM Reply Quote
Not using Carbon Copy Cloner?

ddt

Jeff Cooper – October 21, 2011 06:56AM Reply Quote
Let us know if it helps. I'm thinking that I need to do this on my MacBook Pro (which is still running Leopard, and which has been getting very slow).

John Willoughby – October 21, 2011 07:01AM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
Great. Mac OS has reached Windows parity. Re-format and re-install every now and then. Sad.

Cloudscout – October 21, 2011 07:03AM Reply Quote
˙pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ʎɯ ɥʇıʍ ƃuoɹʍ ƃuıɥʇǝɯos sı ǝɹǝɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ ı ?ɹǝʇndɯoɔ ʎɯ ɥʇıʍ ǝɯ dlǝɥ ǝuoǝɯos uɐɔ
No, I haven't really had a need for Carbon Copy Cloner. I like to do a clean reinstall every couple of years. Then I can selectively restore my backed up data without worrying about any residual cruft.

So far the performance improvement has been substantial... and I have a LOT more free disk space. It's like a computer enema.

porruka (Admin) – October 21, 2011 08:42AM Reply Quote
You're changing too many things to know for sure, but a backup and restore could give you measurable gains just by itself by reducing data and app scattering. (I hesitate to call it defragmenting because there's some of that built into the filesystem itself, but same general idea.)

Jeff, you might want to give that a shot, unless nuking from orbit is useful to you for other purposes as well.

Jeff Cooper – October 21, 2011 05:30PM Reply Quote
Well, I've got the residual cruft issue too--I think it might be easier simply to start from scratch and reinstall the few apps that I actually use regularly on that machine.

John Willoughby – February 16, 2012 07:33AM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
Apple announces Mountain Lion, coming this summer. More iOS apps move to Mac OS. Starting today, iMessages client (Messages) available in beta for Lion.


http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/02/16/mac.os.x.mountain.lion.adds.imessage.reminders/



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John Willoughby – February 16, 2012 07:49AM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius

El Jeffe – February 16, 2012 07:58AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Interesting. Could be a little intimidating, though. Clique-ish, perhaps.

This reads odd: "There many new features, I’m told, but today they’re going to focus on telling me about ten of them. "

John Willoughby – February 16, 2012 08:26AM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
That's pretty much the way the keynotes went, too.

El Jeffe – February 16, 2012 08:29AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
agreed. I was just having grammatical issues with the sentence.

John Willoughby – February 16, 2012 08:42AM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
Oh, I see, sorry. My mind just parsed the thought without the grammar registering.

Mokers (Moderator) – February 16, 2012 10:24AM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
Still holding with Snow Leopard!

Jeff Cooper – February 16, 2012 10:38AM Reply Quote
I've read a few of the preview articles that have come out today, and I'm cautiously optimistic. I wasn't a big fan of Leopard but liked (and still like) Snow Leopard; I'm not a fan of Lion, but maybe Lion round two will be okay.

I still use Snow Leopard on the two Macs I use most (my iMac at work, purchased just under the wire before Lion's release, and the 2006-era white iMac that I have in the computer nook area at home. My MB Air (2009 generation) and new iMac (in my basement, used mostly for recording and for editing and converting video from my DVR) both have Lion, and I find myself snarling at it regularly. Not the best idea, perhaps, snarling at a Lion, but there you are.

ddt – February 16, 2012 10:55AM Reply Quote
I'm with Mokers, though aside from UX snobbery (and uninformed, at that, as I've never seen a Lion install live), I couldn't tell you why.

Jeff, care to elaborate? What makes Mr. Cooper all snarly?

ddt

John Willoughby – February 16, 2012 11:04AM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
I don't like Lion, but I can live with it. For me, I feel like the iOS cosmetic changes are out of place and annoying. Most of the new Lion features are non-intuitive and non-obvious for me, and serve to clutter up my interface. Trying to explain to my wife why she can no longer just select "Save" under the file menu of TextEdit is hard. iCloud is useless for anything except for syncing my bookmarks and e-mail. I want my computer to complement my iPad, but it looks like Apple is trying the impossible task of replacing it. (See my fears about the MacBook Airing of the MacBook Pro in the Rumorz thread.)

For me, the UI of the OS may have peaked with Leopard, or maybe Tiger. The new features grafted on top for every new version since then are just making the experience busier and more complex.



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Mokers (Moderator) – February 16, 2012 11:55AM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
If I could get Lion's whole disk encryption with Snow Leopard's UI, I would be a happy camper.

John Willoughby – February 16, 2012 12:31PM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
I forgot about that. I DO like whole disk encryption.

Tony Leggett (Moderator) – February 16, 2012 02:53PM Reply Quote
Snow Leopard holdout here too! (no surprise there really, eh?)

(this is based on half an hour of playing with a demo machine but...)

To mangle metaphors, Lion seems to be the "OS X home edition" - they've dumbed down the interface (ie you can no longer navigate to your own library) while also making some simple things quite complex (there's no file->save option in textedit, wtf?). Some of the new features are poorly implemented or unnecessary (does anyone need/use launchpad?)

So here's hoping mountain lion is an improvement. This bit from Gruber gives me hope:

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The recurring theme: Apple is fighting against cruft — inconsistencies and oddities that have accumulated over the years, which made sense at one point but no longer — like managing to-dos in iCal (because CalDAV was being used to sync them to a server) or notes in Mail (because IMAP was the syncing back-end). The changes and additions in Mountain Lion are in a consistent vein: making things simpler and more obvious, closer to how things should be rather than simply how they always have been.

El Jeffe – February 16, 2012 03:04PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I have to get me a new Mac.
I upgraded this one to Lion today. Only took me 6 hours!
I have no clue why this is so slow. Every click anywhere in any program is followed by pinwheel of death (and just now with NO clicking) for 10 seconds. P A I N F U L.
CPUs are only ever 10 - 20 % utilized on average, too.
The $759 mac mini i7 dual core refurbs look nice.



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