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bahamut's Avatar Picture bahamut – January 25, 2010 02:45PM Reply Quote
Well, yes, you know. We all need them some times.

Noharness – January 30, 2010 01:38AM Reply Quote
John,

I have reviewed some prices and I think that Tony is probably wrong about iPad cannibalizing sales of iPhone. I do think it is going to completely replace the iPod Touch. In fact, if I were Don Trabajos I would very quickly discontinue the iPod Touch once I had the iPad shipping. You get the biggest bang for you buck by purchasing an iPod Classic with 160 gb of storage for $250 US. iPad does not do voice, or doesn't appear to so the iPhone is safe--relatively.

iPod Touch

8gb -- $200 US
32gb -- $300 US
64gb -- $400 US

iPad

strg 16 gb 32 gb 64gb
WiFi $500 $600 $700
3G $630 $730 $830



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El Jeffe – January 30, 2010 02:49AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
The iPad is much more of a computer for the 'rest of us' than any Macintosh was ever able to achieve.

stan adams – January 30, 2010 10:01AM Reply Quote
I disagree with both Bill's assertion that the iPad is much of computer for any one and Don's that iPad makes iTouch obsolete.

TSO knows that iTouch will remain the the premier fully portable music centric mobile device -- no way you can transport the iPad as readily. The "full Apple household" will ideally have iTouch's for kids middle school or older, nano's for kids younger, iPhones for mom & dad, an iMac in the den, MBP and at least one iPad, as well as perhaps a shuffle on the low end and classic iPods.

As to the computing nature of the iPad vs other devices I really cannot imagine Apple releasing an SDK for the device, I suspect that no one will EVER be allowed to "write for the hardware", and when i think of traditonal "computation / automation" type tasks I think iPad will never be well suited for those things. Even when it comes to "content creation" the iPad will likely be inferior to MBs for a long long time...

What the iPad IS well suited for is CONSUMING content, interacting with online sites that solicit pithy commentary, and some kinds of presentations.

I also have feeling that TSO will be working pretty hard to foster some "uniqely suited to the iPad" apps becuase he remembers how Next suffered from having hardware that was wildly overcapable compared to the kinds of tasks that developer laid out for it from days gone by...

I suspect that just as Apple has managed to differentiate the MB from the MBP there will be opportunities to sell the current device for a price below where they are now priced while upgraded models with higher resolutions, greater connectivity options, more "industrial strength/luxury features" allow for product differenetian -- just as the MBP has FW and direct HDMI and a higher res screen those sorts of things might be worth a premium to some iPad buyers down the road.



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El Jeffe – January 30, 2010 12:24PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I think the iPad has a large percentage of what people 'do' with computers.
It is the only device I've had regular, non-computer people with a desire to talk about come up to me and ask a lot of questions, for one.

Noharness – January 30, 2010 10:15PM Reply Quote
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stan adams
TSO knows that iTouch will remain the the premier fully portable music centric mobile device -- no way you can transport the iPad as readily. The "full Apple household" will ideally have iTouch's for kids middle school or older, nano's for kids younger, iPhones for mom & dad, an iMac in the den, MBP and at least one iPad, as well as perhaps a shuffle on the low end and classic iPods.

Okay, I hear and understand this. I shan't argue with you on this point because I cannot.

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stan adams
As to the computing nature of the iPad vs other devices I really cannot imagine Apple releasing an SDK for the device, I suspect that no one will EVER be allowed to "write for the hardware", and when i think of traditional "computation / automation" type tasks I think iPad will never be well suited for those things. Even when it comes to "content creation" the iPad will likely be inferior to MBs for a long long time...

Here I cannot understand what you are talking about. Apple is issuing SDK's as we are having this exchange. It is second page news (bottom right corner) on the Mothership. I whole heartedly disagree with you on the question of whether or not iPad will ever rival MB or MBPro. I think that in some ways it does already. For one thing, have a look at the tools available for iPhone and iPad. The iWork Suite, nothing to sneeze at, especially not Keynote, and Brushes, a fair substitute for Photoshop if your thing is creating pictures wholly from scratch. The only thing that I can see iPad hurting for is audio and database and those two categories always lag the others.

tliet – January 31, 2010 12:22AM Reply Quote
Bill, I totally agree with you. On minimalmac.com I came across this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPGjS838aDg and I think he hits the nail right on the head.

Apple is redefining personal computing again, from the bottom up. I don't think Steve has thought this out very carefully, I guess it hit him when he saw the App store take off. For the first time in over 25 years, Apple again has a chance to redefine how people interact with computers.

Start an app? One way. Stop an app? One way. Get music/films/book/apps? One way. What multitasking? What Flash? It's all irrelevant.

I'm afraid this opens the flood gates for some major monopoly abuse before the FCC or the EU trade commission intervenes, but the iPad will probably have the same impact to media consumption as the Wii did to gaming.



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Noharness – February 01, 2010 07:17AM Reply Quote
Well, looky here! Seems like Don Trabajos ain't the only one who's exasperated with Adobe Flash. Seems Fennec (Firefox's smaller mobile cousin Fennec), has dropped built in support for that nasty ol' ill-behaved Flash as well. Quote from the linked article:

"There is also an add-on for watching Youtube videos. Mozilla removed integrated support for Flash from the browser at the last minute because it degraded performance, Mozilla wrote in an earlier blog posting about the browser's release candidate on Jan. 27."

Tony Leggett (Moderator) – February 01, 2010 01:17PM Reply Quote
Good, maybe the great Adobe Flash "tea-party" may be happening soon...

Mokers (Moderator) – February 01, 2010 04:03PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
noharness, I am going to take your joke and start referring to him as Estabon Trabajos.

stan adams – February 01, 2010 05:45PM Reply Quote
I don't see iPads cannabalizing Mac sales. I do see it making it stupid simple to give up an iPhone, and for that matter to wave buh-by to tiny little browser-ish web centric phones, like that run Android. So do others: http://www.pcworld.com/article/188286-2/apples_ipad_will_be_the_death_of_the_mobile_web.html

To create content one will still prefer other tools.

BTW I think the mutlitasking issues is hugely important for creating stuff. Maybe somewhere down the road the iPhone SDK will be more "creation oriented", but right now it ain't...

Cloudscout – February 01, 2010 06:12PM Reply Quote
˙pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ʎɯ ɥʇıʍ ƃuoɹʍ ƃuıɥʇǝɯos sı ǝɹǝɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ ı ?ɹǝʇndɯoɔ ʎɯ ɥʇıʍ ǝɯ dlǝɥ ǝuoǝɯos uɐɔ
I wouldn't carry an iPad around with me here... but I really miss having my iPhone. I never realized how often I would pull my phone out to look something up.

stan adams – February 01, 2010 06:26PM Reply Quote
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Cloudscout
I wouldn't carry an iPad around with me here... but I really miss having my iPhone. I never realized how often I would pull my phone out to look something up.

BUT you do carry a laptop? Or netbook? Or not? Or do you just sorta mean that since you are new in still in "not a local" mindset you want to have stuff that is totally pocketable? I get that. And I suspect te AT&T understands that too. And just like you can get a multi-car discount on insurance I'd bet they'll come out with a "multi-device mobile connectivity pricing plan" when they NEED to keep people "in the revenue column"...

Noharness – February 01, 2010 08:41PM Reply Quote
Please, Mokers. Make that Don Esteban Trabajos.

Cloudscout – February 02, 2010 04:18AM Reply Quote
˙pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ʎɯ ɥʇıʍ ƃuoɹʍ ƃuıɥʇǝɯos sı ǝɹǝɥʇ ʞuıɥʇ ı ?ɹǝʇndɯoɔ ʎɯ ɥʇıʍ ǝɯ dlǝɥ ǝuoǝɯos uɐɔ
I don't carry anything with me here except for my mobile phone... it's just that the mobile phone I have here is really just for calls. I don't have data service on it or anything. They don't have 3G service in Bangalore yet anyway.

ddt – February 02, 2010 05:22AM Reply Quote
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El Jeffe – February 02, 2010 06:31AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I just found an old post of mine (another alias, another site) where I named predicted the newton replacement would be called iPad... from Jan 2002.
Been a long time waiting!

Noharness – February 02, 2010 06:39AM Reply Quote
Tweet,tweet! Tweety tweet, tweet!

A surprising source of intel, huh? I wonder if our enemies are taking advantage of this.

Noharness – February 02, 2010 07:05AM Reply Quote

tliet – February 02, 2010 07:37AM Reply Quote


Screw the iPad. You can run Mac OS X on your Nokia N900. (If you have the time)

Paging John...

Noharness – February 02, 2010 08:53AM Reply Quote
But will it run iPhone OS? That would be the real breakthrough. Barring that I think the best use of your time is to stick with developing Maemo. Or failing that, come up with a way to run Maemo on iPhone, iPod Touch or iPad. The iPad might prove to be real performer running Maemo.

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