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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 07, 2007 09:46PM Reply Quote
Politics. Don Granberry on the old Spork Boards was quite fond of talking about them, and here we continue on in that fine tradition.

John Willoughby – March 09, 2008 05:10PM Reply Quote
Save us, Lord, from the furries of the Norsemen!
I've never taken drugs. I'd like to try pot, but wasn't cool enough in college (or now, for that matter). Now I can't, since when I start looking for a job again, odds are there will be drug testing. The Nevada gambling folks are ridiculously strict on who can program their slots, considering who they let run their casinos.



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El Jeffe – March 09, 2008 05:16PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I can't wait for someone TO accuse me with some drug test. Since I've never done anything non-prescription, nor cigs/fags?, alcohol, etc. I'd have a tons of people as character witnesses. I mean, a SOCIAL fraternity prez that claims to have never had alcohol? And all my bros can attest to it, too! :)

What a journey.

Madaracs – March 10, 2008 08:49AM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
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John Willoughby
I've never taken drugs. I'd like to try pot, but wasn't cool enough in college (or now, for that matter). Now I can't, since when I start looking for a job again, odds are there will be drug testing. The Nevada gambling folks are ridiculously strict on who can program their slots, considering who they let run their casinos.

Never done pot either. Probably never should. I'd be an addict. Actually, I've never done any illicit drugs.

El Jeffe – March 10, 2008 09:36AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Then which Sporker is the "cool" one, if not YOU?

What a journey.

Madaracs – March 10, 2008 09:46AM Reply Quote
Ooh! Scary! Scary! Don't we look mean? You can't see me! But I can see you!
I vote SPARBY!



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tliet – March 10, 2008 11:23AM Reply Quote
Pot doesn't make you an addict, in fact alcohol is much more addictive. As Tom was saying a few days back, you don't see too much drugs trouble overhere. That said however, the country is under much pressure from the US and the EU to get back in line and 'behave' regarding drugs laws. So, suddenly the grow shops are under scrutiny, the growers, the distributors, everyone involved. The whole chain of delivery to the coffeeshops is being criminalised and this leads to a completely weird situation where the sale and use of soft drugs (what marihuana really is) in coffeeshops is legal (or technically, the laws are not enforced) but the shop can't acquire it, since that will be enforced.

Naturally enough, the whole distribution chain is now going to the mafia.

El Jeffe – March 10, 2008 11:43AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Well, have you smoked pot, tliet? If so, I vote to ban it 'cus you're just a total bastard! :)

What a journey.

tliet – March 10, 2008 12:29PM Reply Quote
Whaddaya think? Of course I smoked weed, I'd say about half the population did a few times at least at some point.

And I used coke a few times plus I took half an XTC pill, twice. Enjoyed the XTC the most, although the hangover was bad enough to not do it anymore, ever.

But looking at the alcohol consumption among youngsters these days, that's scarier than all the mind bending drugs together.

And you know what; because of the non-issue that is weed, my gf's daughter doesn't care for it (she's 17), but drinking, because of all the media attention lately and the call for tougher laws (as is explained in the link) it becomes all the more interesting to her.

Forbidden=attraction.

El Jeffe – March 10, 2008 01:22PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
I agree. I am pro prohibition.

What a journey.

tliet – March 14, 2008 08:14AM Reply Quote
Re; Housing

New construction seems to be built for around 40 years these days.

I like my energy usage as well, although since I'm working from home these days I try to limit the temperature to 18 or 17 degrees. Wear a sweater and you can think better when it's colder.

Saves an awful lot of money in the process.

rino – March 17, 2008 08:59AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Strange but true, the old Byte column editor does a mini review of a Jonah Goldberg book:

We've got politics and sparby-turrets mixing in all threads, trying to parlorize the politics discussion.
--edit-- here's the link: http://www.chaosmanorreviews.com/oa/2008/20080226_col_331-d.php
have to scroll down the page or search...


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Jerry Pournelle on Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism"
Goldberg's book is an anomaly: serious students of political science shouldn't find anything here they didn't already know. Alas, I had to say "shouldn't", because a very great number of people who consider themselves serious students of political science will be shocked and astonished to discover that Fascism, Progressivism, and modern American Liberalism have many intellectual roots in common. Roosevelt's New Deal incorporated many elements of Italian Fascism, and in fact before the mid-30's many Western statesmen had admiring things to say about Fascism and about Il Duce Mussolini who made the trains run on time and brought prosperity — or its illusion — to Italy. Goldberg documents all this as well as the Jacobin roots of both Fascism and Progressivism. The notion that human life can be improved by central planning and tinkering with the legal and economic system is the common thread to them all.

Fascism lost any claim to intellectual respectability in the 30's, but this was due in large part to Stalin's change in the Party Line to form the Popular Front Against Fascism. After that, the word Fascism ceased to have any meaning beyond "Ugh, I hate it!" Most Americans today will be surprised to learn that Mussolini was not anti-Semitic, there were high ranking Jews in the Italian Fascist Party and government, and despite Roberto Benigni's movie, Jews were not sent to camps until after the fall of the Fascist government and the German occupation of Italy. There was in Italy a certain amount of anti-Semitism as there has been in many countries, but it was not the official policy of the Fascist party.

I can recommend Goldberg's book to the intellectually curious, but I do warn you that it falls between the cracks being neither a strictly scholarly work nor yet a popularization. It is readable provided that you can accept that Goldberg apologizes every few pages from fear that he will be misunderstood.



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ddt – March 17, 2008 09:08AM Reply Quote
in other news, bill kristol will now try to configure your unix network.

ddt



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rino – March 17, 2008 09:13AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
maybe he's interested in knowing what that side is talking about?

it certainly falls into the category of destroy the new deal and kill the great society thread.

Robert Taylor – March 17, 2008 09:33AM Reply Quote
Goldberg's arguments generally run to the level of "Hitler was a vegetarian, so there must be a connection between fascism and vegetarianism". More here.

He sort of ignores things like, say, the magazine he writes for (National Review) being a) conservative and b) in the business of spending a lot of time making apologias for fascists (Franco, Pinochet) while making the case for "liberal fascism". But he's not interested in making an intellectually honest argument about the roots of fascism; he's interested in beating liberals over the head and selling remainders to dittoheads.

I guess I can put Pournelle in the bozo bit bucket when it comes to politics, much like Orson Scott Card.



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morganti – March 17, 2008 11:51AM Reply Quote
For a good review of the book... Check here, and for Jon Stewart SKOOLING Jonah check here.

Morg "Its like, he's just making shit up... That couldn't be could it?" anti

ddt – March 17, 2008 11:55AM Reply Quote
i've been waiting for the release of the whole interview... will that be in vain?

ddt

morganti – March 17, 2008 11:57AM Reply Quote
considering this has been out for couplea months... Probably.

Morg "Maybe its for the best?" anti

El Jeffe – March 17, 2008 12:04PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
that kind of gets back to the term fascist/fascism. schooling on an undefined concept?

http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,19,3726#msg-3726
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What constitutes a definition of fascism and fascist governments is a highly disputed subject that has proved complicated and contentious.
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Most scholars agree that a "fascist regime" is foremost an authoritarian form of government, although not all authoritarian regimes are fascist.

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Similarly, fascism as an ideology is also hard to define.
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a political movement that existed in a single country (Italy) for less than 30 years

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The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself.
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the creation of an authoritarian state; a regulated, state-integrated economic sector; fascist symbolism; anti-liberalism; anti-communism, and anti-conservatism.

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[F
ascism is best defined as a revolutionary form of nationalism, one that sets out to be a political, social and ethical revolution, welding the ‘people’ into a dynamic national community under new elites infused with heroic values.]

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Fascism is a political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultra-nationalism
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obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood

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Fascism is a set of ideologies and practices that seeks to place the nation, defined in exclusive biological, cultural, and/or historical terms, above all other sources of loyalty

OKAY THE DAMNED QUOTE BUTTON SUCKS!

What a journey.

tliet – March 17, 2008 01:49PM Reply Quote
You.Can't.Make.This.Stuff.Up


http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Mokers (Moderator) – March 17, 2008 02:21PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
I always look to a Jon Stewart interview when I need to hear from somebody that doesn't have an agenda....

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