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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 07, 2007 09:46PM Reply Quote
Politics. Don Granberry on the old Spork Boards was quite fond of talking about them, and here we continue on in that fine tradition.

ARL (Moderator) – June 13, 2017 04:09PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
As long as they don't follow Apple Maps...

ddt – June 14, 2017 12:10PM Reply Quote
In an FBI study of 160 active shooter incidents from 2000-2013, only ONE was stopped by an armed civilian bystander.

PDF download link: https://t.co/5Uu5IF9vWA

ddt

John Willoughby – June 14, 2017 12:27PM Reply Quote
Save us, Lord, from the furries of the Norsemen!
As I agree with the need for stronger gun control laws, I am not going to start my usual cycle of counterpoints. The fact that you cite is indisputable, but arguments that extrapolate from it may be flawed.

ddt – June 14, 2017 01:11PM Reply Quote
Oh, of course. But I still keep hearing "the only way to stop a bad buy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". Humans are more wired for stories than facts, so we need to keep harping on facts.

ddt

John Willoughby – June 14, 2017 01:37PM Reply Quote
Save us, Lord, from the furries of the Norsemen!
Were there armed "good guys" in the incidents on the report that failed to stop the shooters? Otherwise it tends to support the argument that I think you're trying to discount.

ddt – June 14, 2017 04:19PM Reply Quote
Juuuust heard a freshman Congressman (male) literally say that line about bad guys and good guys and guns.

I should say that this is no way a "nobody should have guns argument".

Yes, you're right that that data would need more breakout, but if there were any correlation between armed bystanders and reduced violence there'd be a larger effect if there were _any_ armed bystanders. It's hard to assert that this sample was selecting out cases with armed bystanders, so it's a reasonable assumption that in that massive amount of cases, with that result... .

And since science, let's not go on single studies. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/ and https://www.nap.edu/read/10881/chapter/2 and let's keep in mind that the Republican congress has banned government scientific agencies like NIH from conducting _any_ research on gun violence.

ddt

ARL (Moderator) – June 15, 2017 12:21AM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
There's a Rand Paul tweet from 23 June last year I'm pretty sure he's regretting today...

https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/746022114042478592

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.@Judgenap: Why do we have a Second Amendment? It's not to shoot deer. It's to shoot at the government when it becomes tyrannical!

El Jeffe – June 15, 2017 12:32AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
No, I think (some) libertarians (that lean towards anarchists) still feel that way.
And by the way, I've attended gun shows in Rand's district, just down the road from me, and they had his campaign banners very large around it.



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John Willoughby – June 15, 2017 09:04AM Reply Quote
Save us, Lord, from the furries of the Norsemen!
Any bullet holes in them? (The banners, not the politicians.)

ARL (Moderator) – August 05, 2017 02:53PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
Interesting episode on hospitals/healthcare in the US:

http://www.trutv.com/full-episodes/adam-ruins-everything/2124081/index.html

John Willoughby – August 15, 2017 12:36PM Reply Quote
Save us, Lord, from the furries of the Norsemen!

ARL (Moderator) – August 15, 2017 03:45PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
Well, to misquote Obama, Yes it can...

James DeBenedetti – August 16, 2017 07:32PM Reply Quote
Martin Shkreli's jury selection process.

ARL (Moderator) – September 01, 2017 03:54PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
WTF?

http://www.salon.com/2017/09/01/nurse-assaulted-by-salt-lake-city-police-officer-after-she-explained-that-he-couldnt-break-the-law/

What sort of training do police officers get in the US? "Bully bootcamp & Trigger-happy Tuesdays?"

I hope that asshole loses his job, does hard prison time and then faces a civil suit that bankrupts him.



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El Jeffe – September 04, 2017 09:15AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
i hate that crap

ddt – September 10, 2017 07:53AM Reply Quote
Convince me that this is not the dream for America of the people currently driving the agenda for the Republican party, from the top to the local level (see Jane Mayer's "Dark Money" re: national funding and ALEC and more): https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/10/company-town-film-arkansas-koch-brothers

ddt

John Willoughby – September 25, 2017 06:14AM Reply Quote
Save us, Lord, from the furries of the Norsemen!
It's amazing the number of people who sanctify the symbols of our country (flag, pledge, anthem), while utterly disregarding and shitting on the principles that it was built on, and evolved to.

Why the hell is the flag more important than free speech?



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johnny k – September 25, 2017 06:29AM Reply Quote
Symbols are concrete, principles are not. Pick a belief system, and observe the virtue signaling that's been going on since sitting on your ass was invented.

ARL (Moderator) – October 02, 2017 06:16AM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
Obligatory thoughts and prayers for Las Vegas.

Obligatory observation about relaxed gun control.

Obligatory query about why this white male hasn't been labelled a domestic terrorist .

John Willoughby – October 02, 2017 06:59AM Reply Quote
Save us, Lord, from the furries of the Norsemen!
Pedantic: A terrorist uses violence against civilians to effect political change. Until we know if this orgy of violence was politically driven, we don't know if it's terrorism.

A horrendous act by a despicable man, yes. Terrorism? Maybe.

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