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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 07, 2007 09:43PM Reply Quote
Every election is the most important one.

ARL (Moderator) – February 19, 2018 02:12PM Reply Quote
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He think the entire organisation is investigating him personally? That's some bigly ego he has.

ARL (Moderator) – February 19, 2018 07:43PM Reply Quote
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John Willoughby – February 19, 2018 08:04PM Reply Quote
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Florida shooting a welcome "reprieve" for the White House.

“For everyone, it was a distraction or a reprieve,” said the White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to reflect internal conversations. “A lot of people here felt like it was a reprieve from seven or eight days of just getting pummeled.”

ARL (Moderator) – February 19, 2018 09:25PM Reply Quote
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And only 17 kids had to die for that...

ARL (Moderator) – February 22, 2018 03:57PM Reply Quote
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Q: How many NRA spokespersons do you need to change a light bulb?

A: More guns.

ddt – February 22, 2018 08:38PM Reply Quote
Imagine if a lobbying group representing car manufacturers tried to convince us all that "...the pursuit of happiness" mean a right to drive cars. And that any limitation on car driving was just the first step by totalitarian socialists to take away all our freedoms.

Now imagine a lobbying group representing firearm manufacturers... .


johnny k – February 23, 2018 07:21AM Reply Quote
We gotta stop with the car analogies. We have to be able to apply the minimum critical thinking to discuss guns by their own characteristics. When 97% of Americans want universal background checks, and 66% want stricter gun laws, do we even need to argue with a few NRA trolls about the unfettered right to guns? Let's instead form sensible policy proposals and apply political pressure.


It's interesting to me that only 53% want to ban assault rifles, and that 44% think that arming teachers is a good thing, but maybe more discussion to think through the impact of each (literal impact in the case of the former) will continue to sway public opinion and build pressure. I'd just hate to see this moment melt away because we don't have a discussion of actual written laws to pass.

I'll start:

I'm pretty sure that arming teachers is a bad idea for several reasons. They will need training. They will not exceed the NYPD's 18% hit rate. Unlike the shooter, they only want to hit one person out of the school population, and it's a certainty that teachers will kill students accidentally. What does it to do an already difficult relationship, when you know your teacher has a gun, or that surly student is reaching into his backpack? They don't get paid enough.

Mental health funding is a good idea, if we know what works. Giving resources and a support structure to teachers and communities to identify and report possible trouble, is a good idea. Staffing the FBI and police forces well enough to follow up on these reports, is a good idea. These things need to be done in a way that doesn't further stigmatize mental issues, and doesn't create a state where we're all reporting each other to the authorities.

Armed security and metal detectors at every school? I think the mental mindset that creates within students, that we're not really the land of the free or brave, is a mark against. Someone's mentioned that it merely creates a new chokepoint at the times of day when everyone's entering/exiting the school compound.

So these make me think that rather than the solutions where the majority of people give up freedom, we focus on the minority who do own a gun, and the subsection of that group who have high-risk attributes.

We need to close the background check loophole, but that has not been the issue in recent mass shootings. We also should have a national gun registry for the same reason.

It hasn't been an issue in most of the mass shootings in my memory, which seem to be planned for some time in advance, but waiting periods must be mandatory. This will greatly reduce the number of suicides and murders of passion.

I don't know if banning future sales of assault rifles (and the necessary buy-back program of existing ones) will make a substantial impact on the overall gun death rate, but it will have an impact on our national psyche. Collectively there are 5 million owners of 15 million assault rifles. The rest of us will start to feel less irrationally afraid of mass shootings — because statistically, we should not be afraid — and have a sense that our country has regained some sanity, that it can decide that weapons of war are not given to any civilian who wants one.

Same goes for high-capacity magazines.

Aside from policy, I'd want to talk about what reasonable gun ownership looks like. Off the bat, I think it's reasonable (even if I would disagree with it) to have non-automatic guns for self-protection on your property, and for sport/hunting. Maybe by coalescing around what we collectively think are reasonable uses of guns, we can build policies that support those, that people can agree on.

This is all assuming that the current moment can sustain an environment where we can talk about this. Right now the gun control side has a powerful emotional force that's overcoming the usual resistance to discussion, but can it continue all the way through to the fall elections, and beyond to when new representatives presumably can change laws?

John Willoughby – February 23, 2018 09:36AM Reply Quote
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We need to computerize the ATF and its registry of gun owners. The prohibition of this, at a time when Google, Amazon, Facebook, and US intelligence agencies maintain vast databases of information about each of us, is ludicrous. Law enforcement needs to track guns from manufacturer, to owner, to subsequent owners, to possible export, wherever they go. There should be no gun transfer without a background check of the recipient... yes, even within a family. These checks should be cheap, fast, and easy at local police station, or special booths at gun shows.

We need to allow the CDC to research the numbers on gun violence, the effects of gun violence, and whatever crime deterrent effect gun ownership might provide. These reports should be published and available to all.

ARL (Moderator) – February 23, 2018 01:56PM Reply Quote
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This also might be a start:


Before trying to disarm anyone simply unfit to be anywhere near a gun, you have the de-fang the NRA.

ARL (Moderator) – February 26, 2018 08:41PM Reply Quote
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John Willoughby – February 27, 2018 11:45AM Reply Quote
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John Willoughby – February 28, 2018 12:30PM Reply Quote
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Hope Hicks is resigning. Trump is running out of friends. Feels good, but every person who leaves that is saner than Trump has probably been helping to keep him as rational as he's been.

John Willoughby – March 01, 2018 10:27AM Reply Quote
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So... Trump has decided that he wants to kick off a trade war with high tariffs on steel and aluminum. Or, at least, he says he will announce the tariffs next week. US auto industry, which uses mostly domestic steel, is against. Farmers are (or will be) against, because China will likely retaliate against US agricultural products. So, alienating factory workers and farmers is his plan. Who was his base again?

ARL (Moderator) – March 01, 2018 02:00PM Reply Quote
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I'm thinking now might be a good time to get out of those US market ETFs I have. Been a good run, but I think the sugar hit is over...

ARL (Moderator) – March 01, 2018 05:05PM Reply Quote
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Wow, talk about "finger on the pulse..."



In a show of political strength, Georgia lawmakers on Thursday overwhelmingly approved a bill that was stripped of an earlier provision granting Delta Air Lines a lucrative tax break.

By passing the bill, lawmakers carried out the threat that Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle, R, made to Atlanta-based Delta earlier this week: if the airline did not restore discounted fares to members of the National Rifle Association, Republicans would strike down a $50 million sales-tax exemption on jet fuel from its larger tax-cut package. Delta, which is one of the state's largest employers, would have been the primary beneficiary of the exemption.

You can't make this shit up...

John Willoughby – March 02, 2018 10:55AM Reply Quote
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ARL (Moderator) – March 02, 2018 03:31PM Reply Quote
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John Willoughby – March 03, 2018 08:49AM Reply Quote
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You know what they say... those who cannot spell "history" are doomed to repeat it.

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