Presidential Politics
tomierna
(Admin)
– December 07, 2007 09:43PM
Every election is the most important one.
Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– May 19, 2012 05:58PM
I've been watching on TV (
admittedly just this show) a bit about superPACS and they're going to have an even bigger impact in smaller fry senate and congressional elections. In an election race where little is known about either candidate, a multi-million dollar smear campaign a few days out from election day will just obliterate the opponent. Apparently the American Bankers Association has put together their own superPAC (the "friends of bankers" superPAC), not to endorse any candidate, but to go after "opponents"...
Factoid: The the top-five republican SuperPACs have raised over $94 million in the primaries, and over half of that figure was from just 7 people. Welcome to the all-new US plutocracy.
(And poor old Elizabeth Warren must be regretting her college days at the moment)
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/19/2012 06:03PM by Tony Leggett.
Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– May 25, 2012 02:53PM
morganti
– May 26, 2012 04:13PM
Nah, So far my favorite... um... Lame Ad is
Joe "The Plumber"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiRNsDLsAlg
So... Taxes pay for Parks and stuff? Really? Hrm... That's odd, that's not what your Tea Party told me.
Morg "Taxes should be used to punish slackers and women who want to have sex without procreation, duh!" anti
ddt
– May 26, 2012 06:19PM
Yeah, I saw that, and it's an odd thing to have a TPer admit!
Not getting why the Democrats don't just keep the "the money's in your house... and your house..." scene from "It's a Wonderful Life" on auto-repeat across the States,
ddt
John Willoughby
– May 29, 2012 07:26PM
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
Mitt Romney was born in Kenya. Pass it on.
El Jeffe
– June 01, 2012 04:51AM
What a journey.
Quote
President Bill Clinton veered sharply off message Thursday, telling CNN that Mitt Romney's business record at Bain Capital was "sterling."
"I don't think that we ought to get into the position where we say 'This is bad work. This is good work,'" Clinton said. "The man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold."
Clinton also went on to say that Romney's time at Bain Capital represented a "good business career."
http://politi.co/N3tQih
tomierna
(Admin)
– June 01, 2012 05:53AM
Hideously Unnatural
Good for Romney and Bain, for sure.
Bad for many of the people who worked at the companies Bain bought.
For me, Romney epitomizes the valuation of capital over labor. That's why I won't be voting for him.
morganti
– June 01, 2012 10:37AM
How about a higher level question... How does Mitt Romney's ability to come into a company, cut a bunch of jobs, streamline or eliminate a bunch of positions, take loans against the companies earnings, etc. make him be able to "create" jobs? I dont see that. Every description I've seen as to what Bain was doing in its WORST or BEST days was "creative destruction". I just don't see that as a reasonable precursor to the Presidency.
Morg "And that's not even mentioning the "skim" that Bain got getting for doing this, whether it works or not..."
Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– June 01, 2012 03:34PM
Et tu, Bill Clinton?
John Willoughby
– June 01, 2012 04:34PM
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
Quote
Tony Leggett
Et tu, Bill Clinton?
No, but
according to this, he may have been et Wed.
tomierna
(Admin)
– June 01, 2012 04:55PM
Hideously Unnatural
It's not that Bain just came in and cut a bunch of jobs. Inevitably, they would buy just the capital and management of the company. Then, they'd create another company to hire the workers back, avoiding honoring labor contracts, and busting unions.
The high level of it is that Bain was and is anti labor and pro capital, which consistently caused the same problems for workers at almost every company they touched despite whether they were able to make more money for the shareholders or not.
Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– June 01, 2012 07:00PM
Romney was basically a Gordon Gecko, quintessentially epitomising everything wrong with unfettered capitalism.
People like him are why Lehman Bros etc happened.
(and Obama - with all his chummy "ooh! we've reformed wall st!" buddies - is barely any better)
John Willoughby
– June 01, 2012 07:21PM
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
The alternative, the truth, is "We are too ineffective to change Wall Street!" It doesn't play as well on the news.
ddt
– June 01, 2012 07:35PM
And nobody wants to take the necessary steps to reform lobbying and campaign financing, which would go a long way to solving that problem.
ddt
Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– June 01, 2012 08:13PM
Not ineffective, impotent. They are their corporate overlords and paymasters, after all...
I don't know if you've watched the documentary "Inside Job" but there's this bit where Ronny Reagan is addressing Wall St (from that balcony with the bell) just after winning the 1980 election - it may well be his victory speech but at one point one of his corporate sponsors (I think either the head of Goldman Sachs or Merrill Lynch) tells him to "speed it up", and Reagan then duly complies...
Telling moment.
ddt
– June 01, 2012 10:12PM
Haven't seen that movie, Tony, but I did
interview Ferguson about his first movie. That dude is serious and intense. Do _not_ try to make a joke in his presence.
In other news: I have to admit I read an article at The Weekly Standard and enjoyed it immensely. Sadly for Mokers and other Dartmouth alums, it's a fab
takedown of right-wing-welfare baby Dinesh D'Souza. I wonder what finally was the "now THIS is too far" element in D'Souza's rantings; his sloppiness, inaccuracies, and fatally flawed stabbings at logical structure seem no more pronounced than in his first book.
ddt
Tony Leggett
(Moderator)
– June 02, 2012 02:21PM
Nice work there, ddt.
Matt Damon is the narrator for Inside Job (that's either a bonus or a minus depending on what you think of him). Definitely worth a watch and more informative than Michael Moore's effort on the same topic.
John Willoughby
– July 18, 2012 05:14PM
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
Just learned from Stephen Colbert that the Texas state GOP platform includes a plank opposing the teaching of critical thinking skills. Looking for the next generation of leaders, I guess.
Bruce Robertson
– July 20, 2012 10:38AM
Did anybody else get phone spam message from the NRA today?
You know; WITHIN HOURS of a mass shooting - lobbying for the NRA!
I knew it was phone spam and then heard who the message sponsor was; and then hung up.
But I now I wish I hadn't hung up; because I am curious about their message.
Was the timing coincidental? Or was this really the NRA defending itself after a mass killing?