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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 07, 2007 09:43PM Reply Quote
Every election is the most important one.

El Jeffe – May 26, 2011 12:22PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Just saw the headline, too busy dodging tornados and on-call week to dive in, but shocked. zero votes. I am sure that is an onion article or typo, or the Libyans.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/_7afd0b1d-fd69-4f0b-9fa9-c5e98b5cb77a.html

tliet – May 27, 2011 08:07PM Reply Quote

Tony Leggett (Moderator) – May 27, 2011 10:21PM Reply Quote
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Forestry experts were dumbfounded by Mr. Rohrabacher’s line of questioning, noting that the world’s forests currently absorb far more carbon dioxide than they emit — capturing roughly one-third of all man-made emissions and helping mitigate climate change.

That's incorrect - it's a lot more accurate to say absorbing "slightly more" CO2 than they emit. I don't know where they are getting the "far more" figure from. While the notion that cutting down forests would reduce emissions is clearly bonkers the notion of decaying plant matter releasing CO2 is actually correct. Decaying plant matter also, over time, produces peat and coal - which idiotic bipedal species then dig up and burn - releasing even more CO2 (though that's hardly the forest's fault)

Strictly speaking, "young" forest that never decayed and died would do a much better job of trapping CO2. Microbes in the ocean do the best job (my god, I'm channeling Don...)

tliet – May 28, 2011 03:51AM Reply Quote
I'm not sure if it's slightly more Tony. Sure, the oceans absorb much more, but we're managing to almost destroy that too. But some googling turned up some research that indicates it's actually higher than previously thought: http://www.carbonpositive.net/viewarticle.aspx?articleID=745

Of course, this is research by the National Center for Atmospheric Research and it's reported by Science magazine, so it's all highly suspect.



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El Jeffe – June 03, 2011 10:40AM Reply Quote
What a journey.
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El Jeffe
Just saw the headline, too busy dodging tornados and on-call week to dive in, but shocked. zero votes. I am sure that is an onion article or typo, or the Libyans.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0511/_7afd0b1d-fd69-4f0b-9fa9-c5e98b5cb77a.html

lots of bi-partisanshipmanshipmates

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/3/bipartisan-congress-rebuffs-obama-libya-mission/

Tony Leggett (Moderator) – June 03, 2011 03:15PM Reply Quote
I wonder if they'll rebuke him for the Bin Laden raid. Pot, kettle and all that...

El Jeffe – June 03, 2011 05:02PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
The Dems or Repubs?

tliet – June 05, 2011 07:04PM Reply Quote
The level of hypocrisy is alarming. Iraq was as or even more so unconstitutional and nary a peep was heard. But hey, politicians are far from consistent...



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Tony Leggett (Moderator) – June 05, 2011 09:13PM Reply Quote
I think the commander in chief needs a little bit of freedom to be um, discretionary. Sure, get the ok from both houses before invading a country but I don't think minor military exercises (esp black ops ones) need

Bush declared war on Iraq so he had to get approval from both houses (which after 9/11 they fell over backwards to do). Obama never declared war on Libya, because (surprise!) he doesn't want to invade - he just wants to maintain a no-fly zone. All this

What's baffling me is why no-one is calling the whole lot of them (dem and GOP) on their utter silence about the unilateral action taken in Pakistan (action I wholeheartedly support).

I guess they'd rather be seen as hypocrites rather than consistent but unpatriotic.

johnny k – June 06, 2011 04:38AM Reply Quote
Come on, Tony. Obama didn't declare war on Libya precisely because he knew neither the public nor Congress had the stomach for it. And Congress is calling him on it. (Anti-war Democrats make strange bedfellows with anti-whatever-Obama-does Republicans.) If he just wants a no-fly zone, why are the forces actively bombing where they think Gaddafi is? When does this start counting as war?

I actually think Obama's doing the right thing, but in the wrong way. The mission has not been articulated, and has not been done in agreement with Congress. You're defending a creep in unilateral executive power. How our standards have sunk. Bush at least took the time to lie to Congress to get political cover. I trust Obama in this one, but what precedent is this setting for the next president?

John Willoughby – June 06, 2011 07:39AM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
We never did declare war on Iraq. I don't think that we've declared war on anybody since 1941.

Tony Leggett (Moderator) – June 06, 2011 02:57PM Reply Quote
We declared war on terror - that's a blanket term for anyone.

JK,

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Libya. As far as I know, there are no american boots on the ground and the bulk of the air strikes have now been handed over to the French and the British. I don't call that an invasion and I don't think it can be compared to either Iraq or Afghanistan. It can be compared to Pakistan however.

The US has put boots on the ground in Pakistan (Bin Laden) and bombed targets in Pakistan (Bin Laden's deputy) as recently as this week.

I'll say again, if they want to tut-tut Obama about lack of consultation they should have the guts to do it about Pakistan too. If they don't then they should shut up.

Tony Leggett (Moderator) – June 06, 2011 07:11PM Reply Quote
DPBD!

Ooops!

Kinda funny really. Was baffled to hear that Fox News doesn't like Sarah Palin - I thought she'd be one of their media darlings...

John Willoughby – June 06, 2011 09:20PM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
It's been annoying, the past few days, hearing her insist that Paul Revere rode to warn the British that we were keeping our guns. It makes more sense for politicians to insist errors are truth than to admit mistakes. Even Wiener tried to maintain a completely untenable position. I hate our politics.

Tony Leggett (Moderator) – June 07, 2011 03:16PM Reply Quote
I do not know this Paul Revere you speak of...

Edit Ah, now I do...

So Palin wants to rewrite history? Very odd.



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El Jeffe – June 07, 2011 03:18PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Did you get Bewitched down there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmriKnZabm4

John Willoughby – June 07, 2011 04:57PM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius

Ron Burns – June 10, 2011 01:47AM Reply Quote
"We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civilisation." Voltaire
Oops! Finger trouble. How does one delete an entire post anyway?



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John Willoughby – June 10, 2011 07:33AM Reply Quote
Homo Sapiens Sedentarius
Let me know if you figure it out; I've never been able to.

El Jeffe – June 10, 2011 12:05PM Reply Quote
What a journey.
Just heard about this story/book. I found out a few days late. I just had dinner/spoke with him last week. Odd subject of a 'tell all' book, though.
Poor Mr. Ex-press dude, Ari. Not like he was married at the time, either.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394703/Sexpose-Republicans-threatens-derail-bid-woo-Christian-voters.html

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