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tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 07, 2007 09:39PM Reply Quote
Developments from Mac World San Francisco.

Dr. Strangelove – December 10, 2007 08:58AM Reply Quote
So Cringely last week was speculating we'll see a Mac table at MWSF 08. Oft rumored, never sighted. I'm skeptical, but I do agree that the pieces seem to be falling into place. But probably not for another year.

I do think we'll see the appearance of third-party, for-sale, iPhone + iPod Touch apps at MWSF, though. Not a lot, but a few, sold through iTunes.

Dr Phred (Moderator) – December 10, 2007 10:24AM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
I'll be there this year.

Anyone else?

owned by the mothership.

Jeff Cooper – December 10, 2007 11:14AM Reply Quote
Dr. Strangelove Wrote:
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> So Cringely last week was speculating we'll see a
> Mac table at MWSF 08....

You mean tablet, right? As opposed to something like this?

Dr. Strangelove – December 10, 2007 12:09PM Reply Quote
Yes, tablet, doh!

Actually, I (think I'd) love something in like a 5" x 7" form factor, about as thick as an iPod classic, no keyboard, touch screen. But I don't think most apps have the interface yet to work in that form factor.



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johnny k – December 10, 2007 12:58PM Reply Quote
With the iPhone official API, they will.

stan adams – December 11, 2007 08:07AM Reply Quote
Price point, price point, price point...

Apple has shown time and time again that they choose to compete in arenas that will allow them to sell a slightly upgraded product at a premium. What would be the broad category that they'd be entering with ANY tablet? Laptop? PDA? Smartphone?

Too many dead bodies littering those bins...

I think that there might be much more to prod Apple into doing more with the 'classic convergence' space -- Apple TV has languished. The logic behind Apple TV is not terrible, though the splintering of the content market has not helped anyone. With all the cash the Apple has, they could easily buy up VuDu and TiVo and probably NetFlix if they thought that would make the whole category work. Of course between the writers strike and constrained bandwidth issues (not to mention Comcast & ATT wanting to do the whole downloaded movie thing VERY differently...) there is precious little momentum to challenge the old tired models of movies and holiday box set DVDs of series at home...

I think I'll be very happy for now if Apple sticks with a 3G iPhone and the SDK, more storage in the iPod touch, slight rev to normal laptops, freshening of the iMac, Pro, and XServe. In my dreams I'd love love love a mini replacement that had the major horsepower of the Pro's single dual core CPU, a real GPU, and FW 800 all in a footprint that was maybe 10-15% bigger than the mini, but that seems a remote possibility.

rino – December 11, 2007 08:27AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
And then there's NBC who is very publicly choosing anything but Apple ... hmmm, could it have ANYTHING to do with a certain relationship to MSFT?

johnny k – December 11, 2007 08:45AM Reply Quote
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stan adams
The logic behind Apple TV is not terrible, though the splintering of the content market has not helped anyone. With all the cash the Apple has, they could easily buy up VuDu and TiVo and probably NetFlix if they thought that would make the whole category work. Of course between the writers strike and constrained bandwidth issues (not to mention Comcast & ATT wanting to do the whole downloaded movie thing VERY differently...) there is precious little momentum to challenge the old tired models of movies and holiday box set DVDs of series at home...

Yeah, no point in dropping money on buying up competitors because the whole connected TV model is flawed right now. Too much of it is working around the studios' demands.
Apple got a foothold in the digital music market before the music labels even knew what "Rip. Mix. Burn." was. Not that stopping Apple is going to save the TV studios who take their airwaves for granted. Any content producer with limited distribution (that includes cable and anyone short of broadcast) should embrace every medium that gets them out there. Apple may have too much invested in pushing content through the iTunes Store... there needs to be more ways the Apple TV can suck up video content (YouTube is a start).



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Dave Loudin – December 11, 2007 03:18PM Reply Quote
Roughly Drafted spins positively on AppleTV. Daniel's main points are

a) Apple has around 99% of the TV download market and 42% of the movie download market
b) AppleTV has not been marketed as a gotta-have box by Apple
c) AppleTV's success should be measured more by how well Apple retains its leads in these markets rather than in how many boxes are sold.

Paired with his earlier article on the market potential of "Low Definition" (iPhone, iPod, and PSP screens) video, Daniel constructs a plausible theory about Apple's plan for video.



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bahamut – December 11, 2007 03:29PM Reply Quote
I don't get how Apple can be so big on the movie market when so many folks have netflix and they offer instant download free.

Dave Loudin – December 11, 2007 03:35PM Reply Quote
The devil is in the details of measuring the download market. I have no idea how good the figures are that he's quoting. As far as Netflix downloads go, the receptacle in this house is completely separate from the screen where we watch DVD's. Are many Netflix customers any better off than we are?

rino – December 11, 2007 03:42PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
> I don't get how Apple can be so big on the movie market when so many folks have netflix and they offer instant download free.


Yeah if you use Windows.

I know it's a large majority but it's a stupid business model.
Short NetFlix in 08!
Well OK, who knows ... perhaps they'll survive.

bahamut – December 11, 2007 03:48PM Reply Quote
Yeah if you use Windows.

ah, but we're in the age of vmware... !

honestly, not such a big deal for me anymore to see something that's win only...
it's a bigger deal when it's mac only since interoperability and survivability become bigger issues.

stan adams – December 13, 2007 09:41AM Reply Quote
I'm dropping this link here -- http://viewfromthemountain.typepad.com/applepeels/2007/12/the-apple-world.html

for comments by anyone, especially Dr. Phred, as it sounds like the situation on the coastal SE might not be all that different than what he sees.

I also thought about resurrecting Apple Enterprise, but the bigger question is not just how Apple deals with "big customers" but the broader range of how it sells COMPUTERS in an ever commodifying world. Seems to me that dealers with skin in the game could have some really positive impact in those areas, even more so as CompUSA crashes and burns... The concept they had of trying to sell HDTVs alongside of PCs & Macs still makes some sense too -- maybe even more now that the margins are stabilizing and the inventory is not so perishable.

(also nice to see that we are not the only folks pining for a new Mac "middle of the road" machine)

rino – December 13, 2007 01:00PM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
New guy, experience at Amazon, Brown and now here just talked about getting a Windows notebook for home. He thinks Apple notebooks are too much of a premium. And he made some comment about competing ...

After shrugging, I spoke of rising Mac sales for about 5 years so it's not hurting them all that much. I only nudged him once telling him to compare apples to apples and see that they aren't hideously priced.

Has little to do with the Mac (not iMac, not Mac Pro, not Mac Mini) but does still speak to a segment that exists below this. I don't think they should compete in the 700.00 laptop space but how long can they not?

Dr Phred (Moderator) – December 13, 2007 02:10PM Reply Quote
owned by the mothership.
Well, I don 't have much experience with not having Apple stores around. I have 4 apple stores less than 20 minutes from my store....
There are about 250 Apple specialist locations around the country. Obviously that's not enough to cover the whole country. There are not that many NEW non Apple owned stores opening anymore. Just selling Apple hardware isn't profitable. But then you don't see many new PC shops opening either. You need the services business to survive.

Nobody Special – December 13, 2007 05:04PM Reply Quote
Dr Phred Wrote:
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> There are not that many
> NEW non Apple owned stores opening anymore. Just
> selling Apple hardware isn't profitable. But then
> you don't see many new PC shops opening either.
> You need the services business to survive.

Well said Fred. Yeah the services end is the only place where an independent makes there mark. Everything else is just low-margin boxes with an extra pounding for the extended warrenty. That's a business model that's been done to death and those who were best at it are now dead.

(Says he who saw the end coming and jumped ship before the torpedos of reality slammed home.)

tliet – December 13, 2007 08:29PM Reply Quote
Yeah NS, how're doing? Weren't you running a Canadian dealership?

stan adams – January 03, 2008 05:41AM Reply Quote
PEOPLE -- how can we have so little chatter about MWSF? Has TSO's efforts at quashing leaks really been THAT successful? Or perhaps the company is running thin and not able to deliver much really new HW?

My guess is that there will NOT be an UMPC or even a "compact" notebook added to lineup, merely a redo of the Macbook that ditches most of the "el plastique chic" look for metal, maybe even one in frosty brushed SS and another in 'black' chrome. Screen sizes might get a bit more "widescreenish" but I doubt they'll be sporting HD res or ratios...

The price points from HP/Compaq & Lenovo continue to set new lows, I wonder if Apple will address that in any way...

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