Browserphilia!

Hmm, I'm running the regular 3.0RC1 (32 bit) on Vista x64 and I can consistently reproduce a crash now. Go to the KLM.COM site, enter start and destination cities and click on Next, Firefox will crash. With or without Addons, it will crash within 2 seconds of showing the next page.

I've configured FF to always clear all personal data when quitting including caches, cookies etc. Just the passwords it will retain. So, it can't be a corrupted cache file. I've also removed my profile and created a new one.

Installing it now in VMWare with XP to try to replicate it in a different environment.

I've had RC1 on my work machine since it was released (last week?) and I just installed it on my MacBook last night. I was pleased to see that they FINALLY fixed the alignment problem on the toolbar for the Mac version. In all previous releases, the address bar was 1 or 2 pixels lower than the buttons next to it and it kind of ruined the aesthetics of it. It's much better now.

I've got site with a form for submitting posts that is not completing all of whatever it loads. That is, I can see that it says completed 12 of 14 items n the status bar at the bottom, but it never finishes. In both firefox and safari. Is there a console that can tell me what it's waiting on?

Window Menu->Activity... should bring up a window saying what page assets are timing out.

There's also a defaults command to turn on the developer menu, which has some error log windows which can be opened:

defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/31/2008 10:34AM by tomierna.

> There's also a defaults command to turn on the developer menu, which has some error log windows which can be opened:

Default in v3 no? But under a "develop" menu.

For some reason, when I visit Weather.com with Safari right now, the temperatures are all listed with a decimal whereas viewing the same URL in Firefox just gives the whole number. For example, 54.0 in Safari and just 54 in Firefox. Anybody else seeing that behavior?

Edit: also, Phorum isn't letting me use the degree symbol in my post. It just shows up as a question mark.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2008 05:14PM by Cloudscout.

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For some reason, when I visit Weather.com with Safari right now, the temperatures are all listed with a decimal whereas viewing the same URL in Firefox just gives the whole number. For example, 54.0 in Safari and just 54 in Firefox. Anybody else seeing that behavior?

Edit: also, Phorum isn't letting me use the degree symbol in my post. It just shows up as a question mark.

There are a bunch of characters that don't work in Phorum...

Sigs and special characters should work again. It was a character set conflict between Phorum, PHP and MySQL.

“•°¡™£¢?§¶’”

Firefox 3 RC2 is out.

I was thinking about CS's post about how slick the iPhone SDK is compared to the WinME stuff appears and it occured to me that I use FF about a billion times more frequently than Safari, MOSTLY becuase I routinely have a hundred or so tabs open and I can manage to actually use them pretty effectively with the plugin "Tabs Mix Plus". Whenever I go to "pimp my safari" I am sad that there is not much over there period and NOTHING to really make Safari more functional to me than FF.

Is that by design? Apple does not want too many people screwing with Safari? Or is screwing with FF that much easier? Any thoughts?

Firefox has a supported plug-in architecture; Safari, as with most Apple products, is closed and is only hacked through the magic of ObjC's dynamic qualities and the Input Manager.

Right, I know that Apple has not released anything to make creating plugins/addons to Safari easy. What I wonder is whether they released Safari with the knowledge/intent of not making it real easy to modify BECAUSE they were working on the iPhone SDK /iTunes applications store as A MODEL that far back? I suppose it really does not matter, as they could have had a project to make Safari the most easily modded/extended browser way back when they realized the IE for Mac was hopeless, but the effort got knifed once the strategy for iPhone sorta gelled.

That is not hard to belive at all, as the strategy certainly seems to be playing out that way, but it also would seem to hint that Apple is better at planning than basically ANY other company in the smart phone arena (which is not that hard to believe...) AND that Apple is not just better at tracking down leaks, but also better at getting folks to stay "on the reservation".

Remember how the Google guy was "onboard in a big way" at the iPhone launch? Remember too how google moddified its apps (gmail, documents, etc) fairly quickly to treat Safari as every bit an equal of FF or IE? Meanwhile part of Google's programmers must be doing stuff to get the iPhone app equivilents WITHOUT browser in the iPhone universe.

Again, from a personal standpoint, I MUCH prefer extending/modding FF instead of having "widgets" or iPhone type applications on my Mac... I suspect I am not alone. I wonder if there is going to be effort to make 'widgets' for Macs available in the iTunes Application Store. I would not welcome that. I further wonder how much of the WebKit stuff if any is rolled into IPhone SDK.


Will Apple extend the stuff for iPhone into developer efforts for Macs? If not will Safari be the "browser that is there when you can't find /afford an Application/Widget that does the stuff too"?

Given that the strategic thinking that seems evident in the iPhone SDK must have been thought through a while ago, one would think that similar thought has gone into the future direction of Safari. When one thnks of just how much "stuff" Apple has to control/direct for it various development efforts (Cocoa, Carbon, WebKit, iPhone SDK) all the apps it makes money from ( Quicktime , Final Cut, Logic Express, iLife, iWork, .mac/mobileme, Shake) the scale of the organization clearly must be more capable than it has ever been before. The days of them operating "under the radar" are going to come to end.

MSFT may even stop worrying about Google...

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/06/14/cocoa-for-windows-flash-killer-sproutcore/

Safari 4 Developer Preview for Windows has an annoying problem (I think it was in previous versions, too).

I set my taskbar in Windows to auto-hide (I do the same with the dock in OSX). Just like the dock, if I drag my mouse to the bottom of the screen, the taskbar unhides itself... unless I'm running Safari with the window maximized. I have to either shrink the Safari window or alt-tab to a different application before I can access the taskbar.

This should be in kersplat really ... so Firefox wanted to make history with Firefox 3.

2:28pm EST http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/ is kersplat!

Http/1.1 Service Unavailable

I was able to get through on my fourth or fifth try. First reaction: it's ugly. I mean, Safari's not exactly a looker, either, but wow, what were they thinking with those buttons?

Switch it to use small icons on the toolbar and it's not so bad.

Mozilla's servers are completely swamped by the traffic that has been generated in the attempt to break the Guiness world record 'Most downloaded software in 24 hours'. As of now, Mozilla.com nor Getfirefox.com are functional.

Apparently, they've already broken the record with a total of 2.4 million downloads.

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2219272/firefox-falters-fans-flood



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2008 08:55PM by tliet.

Did some recent dot release of Safari introduce a new web-specific beachball cursor? I'm seeing a lot of the truncated pointer arrow with blue beachball now. My only question is who thought it was a good idea, and why.

I think that pointer comes as a result of the JVM spinning its' wheels.