Browserphilia!

Chrome overtakes Safari...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/29/2010 09:45PM by Tony Leggett.

I've stuck with Safari, even though Chrome is faster. Chrome is just so ugly--it looks like a poor PC port.

I second that. Chrome suffers from Google's pervasive lack of aesthetic appeal.

Wow, give Safari an inch, and it'll take 1.71GB. Leaking so much memory they should call it Deepwater Safari.
Unless it's just not efficient with 129 tabs. Oops.

129 tabs!? Man... do you have a system for keeping track of all the info, accessing it? I'd be curious what your system for locating (search? browse?). Maybe time to design a Safari plug-in for organizing and searching open tabs... . Kind of like, dunno, the Bookmark Manager.

Screen shot?

ddt

So it's roughly 13MB per tab.

When you think of it that way it's not too bad (and pretty amazing it hadn't crashed - no flash I assume?)

DPBD!

With just 5 tabs open Safari is using 285MB of real memory and 365MB of virtual memory. Not so pretty...

Doesn't Safari run each tab or window in its own process, just like Chrome? I know Chrome just loves RAM because of this.

Just relating back to my previous leakage (safari!) comments, I'm currently 50 windows and 178 tabs. My organization is topical in that I tend to keep a window or two per topic (sometimes more) then manually search the tabs when necessary. And afa processes, I'm pretty sure on SL *plugins* are run in separate processes (required for the 64/32 thunking, with the added benefit that Flash gets encapsulated). Don't know about the structure of the tabs/windows themselves, but would be surprised at processes (heavyweight); probably just threads.

For reference, 1.42 real, 2.59 virtual of 4.5GB on this 4xG5.

Yeah, I don't think that Safari puts each tab in its own process (yet), like Chrome does. I'm just happy getting Flash segregated (and even happier with ClickToFlash).

Hmm. Aesthetic appeal or not, I may start using Chrome anyway now. Chrome + Froyo gives me the ability to do something I've long wished for on iPhone and even WinMo before it.

The "Chrome to Phone" extension lets me click a button to automatically send the current page's URL to my phone.

have you tried Instapaper?

ddt

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ddt
129 tabs!? Man... do you have a system for keeping track of all the info, accessing it? I'd be curious what your system for locating (search? browse?). Maybe time to design a Safari plug-in for organizing and searching open tabs... . Kind of like, dunno, the Bookmark Manager.

I have poor internet access and am also a little paranoid about the permanence of anything on the web, so I tend to leave tabs open to read later, etc. It's not very interesting since most of them are in one window, auto-recovered by an extension after the latest crash. Instapaper has helped me cut down a lot for text, and I use Evom to dump YouTube videos to my iDevices to consume in non-multitasking mode. I don't really go back and find them... After a while, you get so many open that you reach a critical mass where you just forget about them but you keep them around because you thought they were important at some point. It's all about an inability to focus I guess.

One of my buddies did make a spatial browser for a research project (SpaceMarks, I think) that lets you zoom out Expose-style and arrange your open browser windows spatially around topics. I should see if he'll give me a copy. That might help, or trying not to consume everything I see.

Funny, it seems there's a potential paper about functional perception of relative permanence. Both of content and of attention/interest. Be interesting to see a study on how a large sample of people consider web pages -- whether they can count on their bookmarks to be there in the future or not.

I often do the same thing, but not to that extent (more than a score of tabs and things are unmanageable for me, physically and cognitively). So I bookmark pages and think, perhaps foolishly, that I'll go back and read that later.

Of course, you could save pages as "web archives" to a folder. Then you'd have to go to the folder to read the stuff you've never gotten to -- but don't persistant tabs tend to fade to visual noise anyway?

Me, I have to force quit Camino periodically (only way to get auto-recover) to free up scarce (2GB) RAM.

Ooh, Evom looks cool -- thanks! Though it may make my commute a bit odd, if I practice learning ASL while on the train.

ddt



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/06/2010 05:30AM by ddt.

dpbd: Evom docs are, shall we say, light on info. It's not working w/ any flash videos from youtube; I've tried pasting and dropping URLs, as it seems to want. What am I doing wrong? Or is it just the really wonky internet connection I have this morning?

ddt

Um, i love the aesthetics of Chrome. It's IE 7 I mean Safari that looks like the port to me.

ddt: Yeah, I've had problems depending on the method. I find that dragging the URL by its favicon onto the Evom window works consistently. Their support is good if you want to help them debug it.

Ha!

http://ie6funeral.com/

Another win for webkit:

http://na.blackberry.com/eng/devices/blackberrytorch/torch_blackberry6.jsp

If you include Android, iPhone and Blackberry, that would give webkit a huge chunk of the mobile market.

On the Windows side, at least, Chrome has officially become my daily driver. There's nothing particularly compelling about Firefox anymore to keep me using it.

I still have a hard time giving up Safari on the Mac, though.