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Browserphilia!

tomierna's Avatar Picture tomierna (Admin) – December 07, 2007 09:33PM Reply Quote
Does Safari make your soldier salute? Does Camino put the starch in
your shorts, or do you prefer the petit piquancy of OmniWeb's studded rubber
nubs?

Or do you saving a (very) personal space on your Dock for the Mac version
of Opera? Hmmmmmmm?

Simon – December 19, 2007 11:55PM Reply Quote
Looks like MS is slowly catching up, IE8 now correctly renders the acid2 test.

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/12/19/internet-explorer-8-and-acid2-a-milestone.aspx

ARL (Moderator) – December 20, 2007 12:06AM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
Safari 2 fails that test.

Simon – December 20, 2007 01:41AM Reply Quote
What do you mean? Safari 2.02 is supposed to pass it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid2

rino – December 20, 2007 02:27AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Thought it was the claim to fame ...


I installed IE7 again yesterday (my previous windows installation was borked) finally to do due diligence for a project.

Like many I can't stand that they broke 10 years of browser muscle memory by moving the refresh button to the right of the address bar.
And you can't move it back.

ARL (Moderator) – December 20, 2007 06:43PM Reply Quote
I whinge therefore I am!
>What do you mean? Safari 2.02 is supposed to pass it.

safari 2.0.4 doesnt do it properly (at least on my machine).

I whinge therefore I am!

rino – December 21, 2007 03:11AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
Funny, neither does 3.0.4

Simon – December 21, 2007 04:31AM Reply Quote
Hmm, it works on my 3.0.4

Mokers – December 21, 2007 03:27PM Reply Quote
Formerly Remy Martin
Works on my 3.0.4

rino – December 22, 2007 04:10AM Reply Quote
In America, the only respectable form of socialism is socialism for the rich.
That was goofy. Thought I was seeing apparitions.

Apparently there was a problem briefly with the servers serving the acid test, and it wasn't serving the right content or some such conundrum -- saw this on some message thread out in the cloud.

Roger – January 03, 2008 06:10PM Reply Quote
Sorry for being late on this whinge, but: a big WTF to Apple for introducing Safari 3's misfeatures, not just in Leopard, but in a dot release for Tiger. I've gotten used to random UI drift between major OS revisions -- but it seems like that's no longer enough for the Inconsistency Department, which now wants me to relearn basic interface elements whenever I use Software Update. To enumerate:

* URL autocomplete is borked and now insists on completing only server names, not full URLs
* several settings pertaining to tab/window browsing and spellchecking are not migrated, requiring the user to find and reset them (in different places, not all in Safari's prefs!) to obtain the old behavior
* some buttons and other UI elements are no longer rendered natively, though some are, for no apparent reason

Simon – January 03, 2008 09:43PM Reply Quote
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Roger
* some buttons and other UI elements are no longer rendered natively, though some are, for no apparent reason

that depends on what CSS is used to style form elements. there is a breakdown somewhere on the surfin safari blog the details what conditions determine when native widgets are used.

Dr. Strangelove – February 05, 2008 06:31AM Reply Quote
So, I have to whip up a very simple static web page in the next 48 hours. It's just an image (could be a background image), two columns of text, and some links to other pages and pdf documents. I have a copy of Dreamweaver MX that's old and that I've never really used that I could do it in, or I could just hand-code it myself. How horrible is the code produced by Dreamweaver MX? Is there a simple CSS/HTML tutorial on the web somewhere (I know basic html)? What would the experts recommend?

tliet – February 05, 2008 06:42AM Reply Quote
Try Seamonkey, works fine.


Dr. Strangelove – February 05, 2008 11:28AM Reply Quote
stan, thanks a lot. I downloaded a template from a link from your second link, and the page is now done.

Cloudscout – February 06, 2008 05:17AM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
So, is Safari for Windows dead in the water now? It's still not ready for daily use. Is it destined for use as a tool for web developers to check rendering or does Apple actually plan on improving it for the average consumer?

stan adams – February 08, 2008 12:48PM Reply Quote
I think the relative imbalance that OS X has against Windows on the corporate desktop is the biggest obstacle that Safari for Windows faces, even if it were more stable.

There is a mindset that centers around a false 'secure computing environment' that says "well we have a process to mange/push patches for Windows and MS Office and IE and it seems to work so lets not change that infrastructure'.

This hurts FF a little, but so many people use FF at home already that anyplace that doesn't fully lock down the desktop will face a huge backlash if they hunt down all the 'user installed' FF. Plus FF is a standard for Linux and even commercial *nix.

Safari is "unneeded risk" plus it drags along QT and iTunes, triple YUCK in the minds of IS weenies. It is pretty easy to plug the url that Apple has for users inside corporate FWs, and thus even if users would like 'evangelize' Safari they don't bother. (FF is/was too useful to even IS weenies for them to do the same to it...)

tliet – February 08, 2008 01:00PM Reply Quote
Safari on Windows exists just to give web developers a chance to test their work in Safari. If it didn't exist, nobody would test their sites against it, now at least there's no excuse not to.

Cloudscout – February 11, 2008 06:38PM Reply Quote
Det finnes ikke dårlig vær, bare dårlige klær!
The WebKit update in 10.5.2 changed the way they render shadow text... it makes sites that use it look wrong.

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