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        <title>iSlaves</title>
        <description>The empire Tim Cook built.</description>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Uncivil Issues Never Ever Resolved (UINER)?<br />
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ddt]]></description>
            <dc:creator>ddt</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ WIIGNTGR?<br />
<br />
Nah, doesn't have the right ring to it...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Tony Leggett</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Yeah, let's take that to the Parlor (which should probably get a subtitle of something like: Where Impossible Issues Go Not to Get Resolved).<br />
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ddt]]></description>
            <dc:creator>ddt</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 00:32:54 -0400</pubDate>
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            <description><![CDATA[ That won't solve the problem of transfer pricing, which requires better IRS regulations.  The Flat Tax is just a slogan Republicans use to convince country bumpkins to raise taxes on ordinary people in order to cut them for rich people.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>James DeBenedetti</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:49:04 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ sounds like a friend of mine. plays all the angles. flat tax, men, flat tax!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>El Jeffe</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:33:50 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Apple is now <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-29/goldman-seen-joined-by-deutsche-bank-on-apple-offering.html">borrowing money</a> for the first time in 17 years, despite having $145 billion in cash, in order to avoid paying taxes.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>James DeBenedetti</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:45:26 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Well, I for one have not added to any demand for iOS-thingies. I can sleep at night. ;)]]></description>
            <dc:creator>El Jeffe</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 16:35:41 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/05/foxconn-workers-reportedly-strike-over-iphone-5-quality-control-demands/">The floggings will continue until morale improves</a>.<br />
<br />
Nothing to see here, people... move along everyone... nothing to see...<br />
<br />
This is totally not specific to Apple... iPhone 5 casings with micron level precision are standard across the industry – used by HP and Samsung alike... nothing to see here... move along now... move along...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>James DeBenedetti</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2012 12:20:41 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ fair to me means every OSHA regulation, labor law, et al, would have to be global. For US/A that might be good if we adopted French 35 hour week, or Euro vacation policies. <br />
For Mexico, and China anything would be better, imo.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>El Jeffe</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 18:50:03 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Who wants to die with the last thought of, "Goodbye, cruel world, I... wait, what's that?  Is that cilantro?!"]]></description>
            <dc:creator>John Willoughby</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 16:25:12 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>John Willoughby</strong><br/>
Yes, I like my poison pure.</div></blockquote>
<br />
Impurities ruin the effect.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>porruka</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:02:57 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Yes, I like my poison pure.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>John Willoughby</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:18:25 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Actually, McDonalds has at times been a good role model in this respect. As the largest single buyer of beef in N. America, they've demanded (and inspect for!) real change in slaughterhouse conditions that've made it safer for workers and produced safer beef. (Once this backfired on them; they started frying fries in vegetable oil rather than beef tallow to make them a little less pure poison, but customers complained in droves.)<br />
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ddt]]></description>
            <dc:creator>ddt</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:56:48 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ If we wanted a level playing field, we could simply pass a few “fair” trade laws.  I’m not talking about waiting for the stars to align and the best of all possible worlds here - I'm talking about the richest company in the world taking a leadership position of its own accord (as it has in so many other areas) to prioritize the humane treatment of those who generate its vast wealth – rather than relying on third party firms to produce glossy reports whitewashing abuses that ordinary reporters find all too common in its factories.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>James DeBenedetti</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:43:22 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ That would only penalize companies for basing their business model on hardware profits. Basing on revenue (or more accurately, COGS) means that cost goes up for all. Amazon can raise prices - which are now artificially low because of the exploited workforce - to absorb it, and Apple can too, if it wants to maintain its profit margin. Ultimately if we the consumers demand better conditions for workers, then we have to be willing to pay for that.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>johnny k</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:01:31 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ The problem with basing it on sales is that profitless companies (like Amazon) have no room to absorb potential cost increases that will affect them, but not their competitors.  It makes little sense to demand companies do something that will put them out of business in an effort to make them "better corporate citizens".]]></description>
            <dc:creator>James DeBenedetti</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 20:06:25 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ It makes more sense that responsibility is linked more closely to revenue rather than profit. If Amazon doesn't make any profit off Kindle Fire, but employs a huge amount of labor to make 5 million of them for a rock-bottom price, they've contributed roughly as much to the conditions as Apple has for every 5 million iPads made.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>johnny k</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:54:49 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong>John Willoughby</strong><br/>
Yeah, but can you really say that assembly line workers should be paid in proportion to the sales success of their finished product?  What's that equation?</div></blockquote>
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I would say instead that the <i>responsibility</i> to effect change is proportional to the profit generated by those who outsource work to areas where such exploitation is tolerated.  Contrast the ongoing labor problems in Apple's (outsourced) manufacturing plants to its insourcing of electricity generation to ensure <a href="http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/05/17/apples_icloud_data_center_to_use_100_renewable_energy_by_end_of_year">100% green energy</a> use by its data centers.  It's an issue of priorities, not resources or "industry practice".]]></description>
            <dc:creator>James DeBenedetti</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 19:00:03 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Yeah, but can you really say that assembly line workers should be paid in proportion to the sales success of their finished product?  What's that equation?  How do you calculate the relationship of iPhone backplate prep assistant 343 to Apple's net profits?  And if Apple turns non-profitable (not likely any time soon, I grant), should they all get pay reductions?  I think that they deserve better conditions, and from what I read they are getting them.  If we keep the light of public awareness on the issue, Foxconn won't retrench.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>John Willoughby</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:48:09 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ One big difference is that the iPhone is insanely profitable (with annual profits larger than most Fortune 500 companies' annual sales), while the Kindle, Playstation, and Xbox are close to breakeven.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>James DeBenedetti</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 14:13:49 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ From everything I've heard, the people making iPhones are better off than the people making Kindles, Playstations, XBoxes, etc. and their situation is continuing to improve.  I will grant you that I doubt that this improvement would have happened without the limelight that focused public attention on the abuses at Foxconn.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>John Willoughby</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 02:00:27 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ To borrow a line from Lily Tomlin:<br />
<br />
"We don't care.  We don't have to.  We're the iPhone Company."]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Cloudscout</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 00:58:01 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ To quote Anil Dash (on a separate topic), <a href="http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/09/24/counterparties-apples-headaches/">Given that Apple has a bigger cash hoard than the vast majority of countries, it seems as if this is more an issue of priorities than resource constraints</a>.<br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>A reporter from the Shanghai Evening Post recently went undercover in the Taiyuan plant and, if this rough translation from Micgadget is accurate, got to experience what it’s like to produce an iPhone 5:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>An iPhone 5 back-plate run through in front of me almost every 3 seconds. I have to pickup the back-plate and marked 4 position points using the oil-based paint pen and put it back on the running belt swiftly within 3 seconds with no errors. After such repeat action for several hours, I have terrible neckache and muscle pain on my arm… We worked non-stop from midnight to the next morning 6 a.m but were still asked to keep on working as the production line is based on running belt and no one is allowed to stop. I’m so starving and fully exhausted.</div></blockquote></div></blockquote>]]></description>
            <dc:creator>James DeBenedetti</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 01:11:03 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ How about them riots today? Way to go, Tim Cook. Something is seriously wrong here...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Tony Leggett</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:12:57 -0400</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/02/mac-mcclelland-free-online-shipping-warehouses-labor">I think they're talking about Amazon in this article.</a>  Makes me realize that a lot of what I don't like about Foxconn applies to most industrial jobs, regardless of where they are.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>John Willoughby</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 15:25:14 -0500</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ And frankly I have a lot more faith in Chinese manufacturing than I do India.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Tony Leggett</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 19:56:56 -0500</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ You don't think that these same problems would occur in any country with plentiful unskilled labor?  I don't think Indian labor laws are all that much better than Chinese.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>John Willoughby</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:28:08 -0500</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Diversify the work around the globe. Don't let one regime/country have all the power.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>El Jeffe</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:46:50 -0500</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ My fear is any abrupt, forced action on Apples part would lead to a chain reaction that would likely cripple both economies and result in armed unrest.  Best thing they could do is to start over with their "independent observers", create a baseline of behaviors/conditions, and enact a series of small reforms through monetary incentives or possibly even intellectual property transfers.  If these measures fail, then Apple will be forced to move some operations out of China, even though it will cripple them in the short run.  Ultimately, I think Apple will be forced to bring these operations in-house, probably relocated to India.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>ghidorah</dc:creator>
            <category>Spork Central</category>
            <pubDate>Sat, 25 Feb 2012 07:04:38 -0500</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: iSlaves</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ DPBD!<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/auditor-finds-tonnes-of-issues-at-apples-manufacturer-foxconn-20120220-1thxn.html"  rel="nofollow">http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/auditor-finds-tonnes-of-issues-at-apples-manufacturer-foxconn-20120220-1thxn.html</a><br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br/></small><strong></strong><br/>The Fair Labour Association, a watchdog monitoring working conditions at makers of Apple products, has uncovered “tonnes of issues” that need to be addressed at a Foxconn Technology Group plant in Shenzhen, China, FLA chief executive officer Auret van Heerden said.<br />
Van Heerden made the comments in a telephone interview after a multiday inspection of the factory. <br />
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<b>Apple, the first technology company to join the FLA</b>, said on February 13 that it asked the Washington-based nonprofit organisation to inspect plants owned by three of its largest manufacturing partners.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Tony Leggett</dc:creator>
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