That Darn Google...

That Darn Google... With the release of Chrome OS (whatever the hell that is) I thought it might be time Google got it's own thread. Don't be evil? < /Snark...> http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,31479#msg-31479 Wed, 19 Jun 2013 07:27:43 -0400 Phorum 5.2.16 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,40530#msg-40530 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,40530#msg-40530 I can't imagine sitting down to talk with such an evil bastard. I hope Kim Jung-Un knows what he's getting into!]]> John Willoughby Spork Central Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:03:00 -0500 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,40039#msg-40039 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,40039#msg-40039
http://dontbubble.us/]]> Tony Leggett Spork Central Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:33:57 -0500 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39312#msg-39312 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39312#msg-39312 http://marketingland.com/what-is-the-one-true-android-and-how-open-is-it-21664]]> John Willoughby Spork Central Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:20:09 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39311#msg-39311 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39311#msg-39311 Cloudscout Spork Central Tue, 18 Sep 2012 10:56:33 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39310#msg-39310 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39310#msg-39310 John Willoughby Spork Central Tue, 18 Sep 2012 02:07:55 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39308#msg-39308 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39308#msg-39308
The only way this could be compared to the Sun/Oracle situation would be if Oracle was letting all Java licensees distribute Oracle 11g for free and Google cried foul because they couldn't get 11g for free anymore once they started using Dalvik.]]> Cloudscout Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:41:43 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39307#msg-39307 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39307#msg-39307
With Android development, Google took the Java API's and Java language, and swapped in a different compiler that produced different byte code. The end result runs on Android just as the same code compiled for Java would run in the JVM. To me, that looks like Google swiping everything that they want from Java, and tweaking it so that they can sidestep the licensing that Sun/Oracle requires. From the testimony, it looked that way to some of Google's engineers, too. Whatever the legality of that dispute turns out to be, it seems to me that Google is to some extent playing both sides of the field. "Everything that touches Android is Android" vs. "Sure we took a lot of Java, but we didn't take this part so it's not Java."

I know it is nowhere near an exact analogy, but that's the way that it strikes me. Apologies for belaboring the issue.]]> John Willoughby Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 22:06:03 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39304#msg-39304 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39304#msg-39304
Remember, Amazon pretty much the entire Android OS running on the Kindle Fire tablets. This is perfectly fine. It's an open-source codebase and Amazon isn't a member of the OHA. RIM has their own OS with Android frameworks bolted on in order to make it compatible with Android apps. Again, perfectly legitimate because RIM didn't join the OHA and agree to driving a single, unified Android platform.

Acer could certainly release products running Aliyun. They could even continue selling products running full Android as well. The only thing they would lose is the ability to distribute Gmail, Google Maps and the Google appstore on those devices.]]> Cloudscout Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:33:56 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39302#msg-39302 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39302#msg-39302 Tony Leggett Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:39:25 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39301#msg-39301 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39301#msg-39301 John Willoughby Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 20:37:02 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39300#msg-39300 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39300#msg-39300
It's an OS that is designed to run Android apps and uses code from the Android project in order to make that happen. Whether you call it a fork, a spoon or a... spork, isn't exactly relevant. It's an OS built on Android frameworks that doesn't meet the compatibility requirements of the OHA.

Note, other manufacturers are selling phones based on non-Android OSes without any trouble. HTC and Samsung both make Windows Phones. Samsung even has their own Smartphone OS called Bada and Google is fine with it.

Aliyun is an attempt at making an OS that is partially-compatible with Android which inherently fragments the Android platform. If that's the direction Acer wants to go, they have to give up their OHA benefits.]]> Cloudscout Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 18:48:04 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39296#msg-39296 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39296#msg-39296 John Willoughby Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:55:08 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39295#msg-39295 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39295#msg-39295
They are saying that Acer is a member of the Open Handset Alliance and, as such, isn't supposed to dabble in Android forks that don't meet the OHA's documented standards.

Blackberry, Kindle Fire and Aliyun all have support for Android applications. Amazon and RIM aren't members of the OHA so they're free to do whatever they want with their Android forks. Acer is free to release devices running Aliyun or any other OS whether it's based on Android or not. The catch is that releasing an Android-based device that doesn't conform to the OHA standards means that they don't get to bundle Google's apps on their devices anymore. That includes Gmail, Google Maps and Google's appstore itself.

Whether that is right or wrong is up for debate on its own but it seems like an important distinction. Google can't prevent Acer from releasing whatever they want to release based on the open-source Android codebase but if Acer wants the benefits they get from their OHA membership, they have to play by the rules or go it alone like Amazon and RIM.]]> Cloudscout Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 16:35:30 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39292#msg-39292 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39292#msg-39292 John Willoughby Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:47:58 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39291#msg-39291 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39291#msg-39291
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/09/pirated-android-apps-featured-prominently-on-aliyun-app-store/]]> Cloudscout Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:50:18 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39289#msg-39289 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39289#msg-39289 In Google's eyes, apparently, ability to run any Android apps == Android.]]> John Willoughby Spork Central Mon, 17 Sep 2012 12:55:11 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39239#msg-39239 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39239#msg-39239 Doing evil.]]> John Willoughby Spork Central Thu, 13 Sep 2012 17:17:35 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39224#msg-39224 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,39224#msg-39224 http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/no-sex-party-please-were-google-20120913-25tn8.html

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The Australian Sex Party this morning lodged formal complaints against Google with the US Department of Justice and the Australian competition watchdog, accusing the search giant of corrupt practices and unlawfully interfering with the conduct of a recent Victorian byelection.

The Sex Party says Google refused to run its advertisements in the lead-up to the July 12 byelection for the state seat of Melbourne. Its ads were also refused during the last federal election.

Emails seen by Fairfax show Facebook also rejected Sex Party ads during the recent City of Sydney Council elections. Facebook accused the party of promoting “adult products or services”.

In a letter to the fraud section of the US Department of Justice seen by Fairfax, Australian Sex Party president Fiona Patten accuses Google of “unlawful interference in the conduct of a state election in Victoria” and having "corrupt intent".

]]> Tony Leggett Spork Central Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:25:37 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38548#msg-38548 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38548#msg-38548
ddt]]> ddt Spork Central Fri, 20 Jul 2012 18:13:46 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38469#msg-38469 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38469#msg-38469 The Washington Post's site crashes WebKit.]]> Dave Loudin Spork Central Tue, 10 Jul 2012 13:57:13 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38402#msg-38402 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38402#msg-38402 Makes a great mobile Spork reader.]]> Dr Phred Spork Central Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:34:09 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38343#msg-38343 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38343#msg-38343 Mokers Spork Central Tue, 26 Jun 2012 17:21:06 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38336#msg-38336 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38336#msg-38336 I ignore it.]]> El Jeffe Spork Central Tue, 26 Jun 2012 05:30:44 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38330#msg-38330 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38330#msg-38330 Cloudscout Spork Central Tue, 26 Jun 2012 00:18:20 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38329#msg-38329 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38329#msg-38329
That being said, the instant search results is very distracting.]]> Mokers Spork Central Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:46:26 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38327#msg-38327 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38327#msg-38327 John Willoughby Spork Central Mon, 25 Jun 2012 22:08:25 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38322#msg-38322 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38322#msg-38322 I know when I lost my voice it was due to what I called pharyngitis. Doc said I called it correctly. But the problem/source was hyperthyroidism. I considered it due to my diet.
I'm sure he has the funds to get the best treatment available. Hope he does, and does not delay or swing a dead chicken instead.]]> El Jeffe Spork Central Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:09:00 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38317#msg-38317 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38317#msg-38317 Now they'll obsess about Larry Page's health.]]> John Willoughby Spork Central Mon, 25 Jun 2012 16:32:35 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38039#msg-38039 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38039#msg-38039 John Willoughby Spork Central Fri, 08 Jun 2012 12:13:38 -0400 http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38034#msg-38034 Re: That Darn Google... http://www.macedition.com/forums/read.php?4,31479,38034#msg-38034 El Jeffe Spork Central Fri, 08 Jun 2012 05:39:41 -0400